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Looking at both examples, the entire situation is bothersome and, frankly, exhausting. I don't know where people find the energy to fuel all this outrage when t
by ljm 6y ago
Looking at both examples, the entire situation is bothersome and, frankly, exhausting. I don't know where people find the energy to fuel all this outrage when there is surely somewhere to meet in the middle. It's difficult to take seriously, and understand the genuine underlying issues, when emotions all around are amplified to the extreme.
Campaigning to have someone arrested on one end and employing totalitarian tactics on the other comes across as absurd to me. It's practically authoritarian in-fighting.
I'm sure there is a real problem that deserves discussion here, but it's difficult to see through the dense fog of anger.
(edit: I did remove an original sentence from this comment about it being a toxic squabble. I decided that was a bit too dismissive, but you'll still see it in all its glory in one of the responses)
- krapp 6y ago> Looking at both examples, the whole situation seems like yet another toxic, mind-numbing internet squabble. It really is. There have been hundreds of threads just after Stallman's recent reappointment to the FSF board of directors alone, to say nothing of his "cancellation," many with hundreds if not thousands of comments, most of which are just a cesspool of toxicity, trolling and outrage porn. The truth is that both sides have a point, and both sides are acting in bad faith towards the other.
- atq2119 6y agoMy second favourite conspiracy theory is that a lot of the transgender flame wars are fanned by secret agencies to distract the activist populace from topics that are more important and less convenient for the powerful elite (economic justice comes to mind).
- ljm 6y agoThe trope of wealthy people standing atop their terrace, drinking and partying, while the poorer people below fight between themselves is a well known one.
- josteink 6y ago> I don't know where people find the energy to fuel all this outrage when there is surely somewhere to meet in the middle. Extremists and activists like this don't want to meet in the middle. They want to move the middle towards their point of view and then they want that middle-ground to be the only acceptable ground to hold. It's an unreasonable position to hold in a free society, and we as a people should not encourage these individuals by giving them attention or giving in to their demands.