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This problem was created by trying to force people to say specific words. You try to force RMS to say some words? guess what, he will now try to force his word

This problem was created by trying to force people to say specific words. You try to force RMS to say some words? guess what, he will now try to force his words onto you. You don't agree? neither does he, great, just great. There is no difference here. It is no more valid for you to force language on others than it is for him to try and do it.

dpatterbee 6y ago
Do you call people by their names? Seems like you're already forced to call people what they want you to. I believe there's a difference between asking people to refer to you by some identifier and whatever nonsense you're equating it to.
- insert_coin 6y ago
  You are not forced to call anyone anything. You have no right to compel anyone to say anything. You can ask, that's about it. They can say no.
  - dpatterbee 6y ago
    And they can be considered an asshole and asked to not continue their role as a leading representative of a diverse community of people.
    - insert_coin 6y ago
      Of course! And the people "asking" can also be considered assholes.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> You try to force RMS to say some words? You mean like “GNU/Linux”? It's really not a big leap from RMS’s thinking he gets to name other people’s things without their consent (and insist that other people folloq his preference) to his thinking he gets to name other people without their consent, and its truly backwards to think that either of those stems from people trying to “force” anything on Stallman.
- insert_coin 6y ago
  So, you realize that RMS is wrong on the GNU/Linux thing and somehow are still on the side of forcing pronouns?
  - dpatterbee 6y ago
    It blows my mind that you think that people wishing to be referred to in a certain way that has absolutely 0 negative effects on you or anyone else is somehow a bad thing which you need to argue against so much.
    - insert_coin 6y ago
      They can wish it all they want. They cannot force it. What should blow your mind is people mounting huge campaigns to completely cancel someone and then when unable to really defend their positions having the guts to say "it isn't really an issue, it has 0 impact!" It either is an issue and worthy of ruining someone's life or it isn't. Either simply "feeling" discriminated against is the bar or it isn't. Some people feel bullied when forced to speak a certain way, shouldn't others also be forced to accommodate their feelings? You can't have it both ways.
    - nec4b 6y ago
      They are demanding not wishing.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > So, you realize that RMS is wrong on the GNU/Linux thing and somehow are still on the side of forcing pronouns? No, I recognize that RMS is wrong on trying to impose his choice of names as designators of other people’s work, and also recognize that he is wrong, for pretty much the exact same reason though with more significance, to impose his choice of pronouns as designators of other people’s persons.
    - insert_coin 6y ago
      Except that is not how it is. They are both asking, demanding, someone else to only use the words they deem tolerable. Whatever the situation, no one has to comply with such demand.

dpatterbee 6y ago

Do you call people by their names? Seems like you're already forced to call people what they want you to. I believe there's a difference between asking people to refer to you by some identifier and whatever nonsense you're equating it to.

insert_coin 6y ago
You are not forced to call anyone anything. You have no right to compel anyone to say anything. You can ask, that's about it. They can say no.
- dpatterbee 6y ago
  And they can be considered an asshole and asked to not continue their role as a leading representative of a diverse community of people.
  - insert_coin 6y ago
    Of course! And the people "asking" can also be considered assholes.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> You try to force RMS to say some words? You mean like “GNU/Linux”? It's really not a big leap from RMS’s thinking he gets to name other people’s things without their consent (and insist that other people folloq his preference) to his thinking he gets to name other people without their consent, and its truly backwards to think that either of those stems from people trying to “force” anything on Stallman.

insert_coin 6y ago
So, you realize that RMS is wrong on the GNU/Linux thing and somehow are still on the side of forcing pronouns?
- dpatterbee 6y ago
  It blows my mind that you think that people wishing to be referred to in a certain way that has absolutely 0 negative effects on you or anyone else is somehow a bad thing which you need to argue against so much.
  - insert_coin 6y ago
    They can wish it all they want. They cannot force it. What should blow your mind is people mounting huge campaigns to completely cancel someone and then when unable to really defend their positions having the guts to say "it isn't really an issue, it has 0 impact!" It either is an issue and worthy of ruining someone's life or it isn't. Either simply "feeling" discriminated against is the bar or it isn't. Some people feel bullied when forced to speak a certain way, shouldn't others also be forced to accommodate their feelings? You can't have it both ways.
  - nec4b 6y ago
    They are demanding not wishing.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > So, you realize that RMS is wrong on the GNU/Linux thing and somehow are still on the side of forcing pronouns? No, I recognize that RMS is wrong on trying to impose his choice of names as designators of other people’s work, and also recognize that he is wrong, for pretty much the exact same reason though with more significance, to impose his choice of pronouns as designators of other people’s persons.
  - insert_coin 6y ago
    Except that is not how it is. They are both asking, demanding, someone else to only use the words they deem tolerable. Whatever the situation, no one has to comply with such demand.