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Curtis just published a new doc: https://youtu.be/MHFrhIAj0ME https://youtu.be/MHFrhIAj0ME

by eecc 6y ago

MaheshC 6y ago
Which is really good. Recommend.
- sonthonax 6y ago
  Depending on your point of view. I felt it was a self indulgent sprawling mess. I felt that I watched a random collection of undergraduate essays, which were then stitched together with music that Curtis felt expressed the zeitigest (which he delusionally thought substituted for an actual point or connection between subjects). I watched a bit of the documentary with a friend of mine who’s a pretty senior diplomat; when Curtis came to Iraq, she exclaimed with palatable frustration “this is the most incredible 15 minute oversimplification of what happened”. Curtis documentaries loose much of their lustre when you know what he’s talking about. He becomes less of a BBC patrician who gives you a secret insight into the world of Oxford educated intellectuals; and more of an opinionated old windbag. At the end of an episode, I told my friend “I feel like I’ve been man-splained to for the last hour [and I’m a man]!”.
  - aaaaarghZombies 6y ago
    Have you seen the time span it covers? I don't think calling it a simplification as a criticism is fair, do you want a 1:1 mapping? Also the sprawling messiness isn't just the aesthetic, it's the thesis.
    - sonthonax 6y ago
      Yes. I watched the documentary. I don’t expect to agree 100%, but that doesn’t mean have I to keel over laughing at its chasms. In regards to Iraq, his opinion that Gertrude Bell’s influence led NATO to give tribal sheiks disproportionate power in the new Iraq was a hilarious simplification. It’s just an absurd narrative chasm, that ignored so much about what happened then. An in regards to the civil war in Iraq, that didn’t boil over because NATO stopped paying the militias off. There was so much at play. The China stuff was interesting, but uncontroversial. That stuff is quite an accessible history. The archive footage was fun though. It just felt like I was watching a number of different documentaries. One about race relations and trans rights; and one about China. It all just would have been better as standalone works. He could have even edited things differently, each episode covering a certain subject. He maybe could have had a concluding thesis that was better than “China: it’s not all that it’s cracked up to be”.
      - not1ofU 6y ago
        I agree. I lapped up alot of his stuff, without a second thought. After watching a deconstruction video of hypernormalisation I was left thinking I had been suckered again "loose change style" I was recommeded to watch his lastest release (of which the full 8.something hours is available directly on Curtis' own you tube channel) I watched the first 20 / 30 minutes and turned off. It felt like how I imagine brain-washing works. Lots of weird (and jarring) footage un-related to the voice over, werid music (not required for what is supposed to be a documentary IMO) and jumped from topic to topic without any cohesive thread or reason. No longer a fan. Edit: Grammar
DoingIsLearning 6y ago
On a side note, did anything change on youtube itself or am I being A/B guinea pigged? I use to be able to watch youtube videos without any youtube app just using /embed/<video-id> on a browser or mpv. Now it seems every link is broken unless you go through there data hoarding app? (On android not desktop)
- jahnu 6y ago
  If I watch through the Brave browser on my phone I never see ads. Through the offical app I have to watch the same two ads for a month or two before the video starts and then again after 15 or 20 minutes. It's really bad.
  - DoingIsLearning 6y ago
    But that's ad blocking, that's not what I meant exactly, that always works. My issue is 'embeddable' links are no longer playable for me? I can play the video in their app or on the browser after a million data consent forms.
  - sacomo 6y ago
    Also, no ads on YT, or just about any other site, in FF with the uBlock origin plugin.
- Sander_Marechal 6y ago
  Give NewPipe a try (https://newpipe.net/ https://newpipe.net/). I've been using it for several months and works really well. Only thing I haven't figured out yet is streaming/casting to the youtube app on my TV.
jahnu 6y ago
Here he is in interview about that one https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ad8db/adam-curtis-charlie-brooker-cant-get-you-out-of-my-head https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ad8db/adam-curtis-charlie-b...

Curtis just published a new doc: https://youtu.be/MHFrhIAj0ME https://youtu.be/MHFrhIAj0ME

by eecc 6y ago

Curtis just published a new doc: https://youtu.be/MHFrhIAj0ME https://youtu.be/MHFrhIAj0ME

MaheshC 6y ago

Which is really good. Recommend.

sonthonax 6y ago
Depending on your point of view. I felt it was a self indulgent sprawling mess. I felt that I watched a random collection of undergraduate essays, which were then stitched together with music that Curtis felt expressed the zeitigest (which he delusionally thought substituted for an actual point or connection between subjects). I watched a bit of the documentary with a friend of mine who’s a pretty senior diplomat; when Curtis came to Iraq, she exclaimed with palatable frustration “this is the most incredible 15 minute oversimplification of what happened”. Curtis documentaries loose much of their lustre when you know what he’s talking about. He becomes less of a BBC patrician who gives you a secret insight into the world of Oxford educated intellectuals; and more of an opinionated old windbag. At the end of an episode, I told my friend “I feel like I’ve been man-splained to for the last hour [and I’m a man]!”.
- aaaaarghZombies 6y ago
  Have you seen the time span it covers? I don't think calling it a simplification as a criticism is fair, do you want a 1:1 mapping? Also the sprawling messiness isn't just the aesthetic, it's the thesis.
  - sonthonax 6y ago
    Yes. I watched the documentary. I don’t expect to agree 100%, but that doesn’t mean have I to keel over laughing at its chasms. In regards to Iraq, his opinion that Gertrude Bell’s influence led NATO to give tribal sheiks disproportionate power in the new Iraq was a hilarious simplification. It’s just an absurd narrative chasm, that ignored so much about what happened then. An in regards to the civil war in Iraq, that didn’t boil over because NATO stopped paying the militias off. There was so much at play. The China stuff was interesting, but uncontroversial. That stuff is quite an accessible history. The archive footage was fun though. It just felt like I was watching a number of different documentaries. One about race relations and trans rights; and one about China. It all just would have been better as standalone works. He could have even edited things differently, each episode covering a certain subject. He maybe could have had a concluding thesis that was better than “China: it’s not all that it’s cracked up to be”.
    - not1ofU 6y ago
      I agree. I lapped up alot of his stuff, without a second thought. After watching a deconstruction video of hypernormalisation I was left thinking I had been suckered again "loose change style" I was recommeded to watch his lastest release (of which the full 8.something hours is available directly on Curtis' own you tube channel) I watched the first 20 / 30 minutes and turned off. It felt like how I imagine brain-washing works. Lots of weird (and jarring) footage un-related to the voice over, werid music (not required for what is supposed to be a documentary IMO) and jumped from topic to topic without any cohesive thread or reason. No longer a fan. Edit: Grammar

DoingIsLearning 6y ago

On a side note, did anything change on youtube itself or am I being A/B guinea pigged? I use to be able to watch youtube videos without any youtube app just using /embed/<video-id> on a browser or mpv. Now it seems every link is broken unless you go through there data hoarding app? (On android not desktop)

jahnu 6y ago
If I watch through the Brave browser on my phone I never see ads. Through the offical app I have to watch the same two ads for a month or two before the video starts and then again after 15 or 20 minutes. It's really bad.
- DoingIsLearning 6y ago
  But that's ad blocking, that's not what I meant exactly, that always works. My issue is 'embeddable' links are no longer playable for me? I can play the video in their app or on the browser after a million data consent forms.
- sacomo 6y ago
  Also, no ads on YT, or just about any other site, in FF with the uBlock origin plugin.
Sander_Marechal 6y ago
Give NewPipe a try (https://newpipe.net/ https://newpipe.net/). I've been using it for several months and works really well. Only thing I haven't figured out yet is streaming/casting to the youtube app on my TV.

jahnu 6y ago

Here he is in interview about that one https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ad8db/adam-curtis-charlie-brooker-cant-get-you-out-of-my-head https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ad8db/adam-curtis-charlie-b...