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I often think of what life would be without using the internet. Observing a electronics sabbath usually on sat, seems like a good idea. Not Jewish but feel that

I often think of what life would be without using the internet. Observing a electronics sabbath usually on sat, seems like a good idea. Not Jewish but feel that the Rabbis of old were on to something.

regextegrity 5y ago
Why not just turn off your router? Lightbulbs and refrigerators are surprisingly useful
- frosted-flakes 5y ago
  Lightbulbs and refrigerators don't contain electronics. I mean, modern LED lightbulbs contain some primitive electronics, but basic refrigerators do not. By "electronics", the GP means consumer electronic devices like computers, televisions, and smartphones.
  - Sebb767 5y ago
    > Lightbulbs and refrigerators don't contain electronics. > By "electronics", the GP means consumer electronic devices like computers, Have you looked at refrigerators lately? "Smart" ones are very common and even the cheapest ones basically all use electronics to control the temperature and the cooling cycle. Nothing sophisticated, yes, but if LEDs count, these definitely do, as well.
    - frosted-flakes 5y ago
      That's why I said basic refrigerators, which still have compressors controlled by an analogue thermostat. Like the kind you find in a typical cheap rental apartment. Refrigerators are one of those appliances that really do not benefit much from "smart" technology. And LEDs don't count; that's my point.
      - Sebb767 5y ago
        Fair enough. When LEDs don't count, though, I think it's kinda hard to draw a line - do radios count? Clocks? Amplifiers? Vacuum tube amplifiers? But I agree with your general point.
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- gh-throw 5y ago
  You'll find normal room lights obnoxiously bright and wonder what the hell we're thinking if you try exclusively candles or very, very dim handheld lights/lanterns after sundown for a while (think, medium-bright night lights at the very brightest, and even that's kinda too bright) and entirely avoid glowing screens. Might find the insomnia or night-owl tendencies that're "just how you are" disappear in a hurry, too. Go figure, if it's not actually dark and there's an incredible amount of flashy entertainment on tap it's really hard to sleep like you're supposed to. Wonder why we have problems with that, as a society. Guess we'll need a whole cottage industry of books & magazine articles to mis-explain it.
  - swiley 5y ago
    I've gone weeks with no lights. IMO between the screen backlights and occasional use of a flashlight they're not only unnecessary, they're obnoxious.
neatze 5y ago
I would be such an idiot (in some but not all contexts), highly doubt would learn how to write, let alone basic mathematics, or programming, scientific method would have no meaning in my life, if it not where for the internet.
ipaddr 5y ago
Computers without the internet were better in someways. Leaving the internet behind doesn't mean living without technology.
- betwixthewires 5y ago
  I'm curious to know in what ways you mean.
  - behringer 5y ago
    Before the internet, If you wanted to use computers it was to be crafting, not memeing.
  - ipaddr 5y ago
    Before the internet bbs boards existed. Calling a board was a different experience. Playing games on computers didn't require an internet connection. Often you traded disks. Having no internet opens up the possibilities the computer can do. You start exploring and using more of it.
    - bradlys 5y ago
      As someone who dealt with not having internet on a computer before, I’d say it’s pretty limiting these days. You can do stuff but only if you know how to do stuff to begin with. And the software preloaded on some OSes isn’t exactly enough to keep you entertained for eternity. If you don’t know how to do things then not having internet is pretty limiting. After all, most software out there doesn’t come with robust documentation built in. It’s been all online for a while. You might be idolizing your younger years when there were quite a few pain points that you’re glossing over. If you don’t like certain parts of the internet then don’t visit them. It’s not like you’re forced to be on social media. It’s clear from people I meet on forums that they don’t go almost anywhere else but that forum...
      - ipaddr 5y ago
        Only expensive software came with instruction manuals (embedded instructions weren't a thing) but when they did they were leather bound. You really had to figure things out yourself. Let's say you had a c64. You have no software installed so you have to type in a program or possible load one from a disk. Completely different mindset. Fast forward years and you have lan doom parties. Everyone goes to a store and plays on a hardwired network. The internet is great.. there is life outside of it if it disappeared.
squeaky-clean 5y ago
I try to do this for the last week of every month. I don't turn off the router because I'm not going to exclude myself from things like Discord with friends, facetime with my Mom, or paying bills with my laptop instead of my phone. But anything non-essential is off limits. It was certainly hard to keep this up in 2020 though, I pretty much dropped the habit from April to December

regextegrity 5y ago

Why not just turn off your router? Lightbulbs and refrigerators are surprisingly useful

frosted-flakes 5y ago
Lightbulbs and refrigerators don't contain electronics. I mean, modern LED lightbulbs contain some primitive electronics, but basic refrigerators do not. By "electronics", the GP means consumer electronic devices like computers, televisions, and smartphones.
- Sebb767 5y ago
  > Lightbulbs and refrigerators don't contain electronics. > By "electronics", the GP means consumer electronic devices like computers, Have you looked at refrigerators lately? "Smart" ones are very common and even the cheapest ones basically all use electronics to control the temperature and the cooling cycle. Nothing sophisticated, yes, but if LEDs count, these definitely do, as well.
  - frosted-flakes 5y ago
    That's why I said basic refrigerators, which still have compressors controlled by an analogue thermostat. Like the kind you find in a typical cheap rental apartment. Refrigerators are one of those appliances that really do not benefit much from "smart" technology. And LEDs don't count; that's my point.
    - Sebb767 5y ago
      Fair enough. When LEDs don't count, though, I think it's kinda hard to draw a line - do radios count? Clocks? Amplifiers? Vacuum tube amplifiers? But I agree with your general point.
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gh-throw 5y ago
You'll find normal room lights obnoxiously bright and wonder what the hell we're thinking if you try exclusively candles or very, very dim handheld lights/lanterns after sundown for a while (think, medium-bright night lights at the very brightest, and even that's kinda too bright) and entirely avoid glowing screens. Might find the insomnia or night-owl tendencies that're "just how you are" disappear in a hurry, too. Go figure, if it's not actually dark and there's an incredible amount of flashy entertainment on tap it's really hard to sleep like you're supposed to. Wonder why we have problems with that, as a society. Guess we'll need a whole cottage industry of books & magazine articles to mis-explain it.
- swiley 5y ago
  I've gone weeks with no lights. IMO between the screen backlights and occasional use of a flashlight they're not only unnecessary, they're obnoxious.

neatze 5y ago

I would be such an idiot (in some but not all contexts), highly doubt would learn how to write, let alone basic mathematics, or programming, scientific method would have no meaning in my life, if it not where for the internet.

ipaddr 5y ago

Computers without the internet were better in someways. Leaving the internet behind doesn't mean living without technology.

betwixthewires 5y ago
I'm curious to know in what ways you mean.
- behringer 5y ago
  Before the internet, If you wanted to use computers it was to be crafting, not memeing.
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Before the internet bbs boards existed. Calling a board was a different experience. Playing games on computers didn't require an internet connection. Often you traded disks. Having no internet opens up the possibilities the computer can do. You start exploring and using more of it.
  - bradlys 5y ago
    As someone who dealt with not having internet on a computer before, I’d say it’s pretty limiting these days. You can do stuff but only if you know how to do stuff to begin with. And the software preloaded on some OSes isn’t exactly enough to keep you entertained for eternity. If you don’t know how to do things then not having internet is pretty limiting. After all, most software out there doesn’t come with robust documentation built in. It’s been all online for a while. You might be idolizing your younger years when there were quite a few pain points that you’re glossing over. If you don’t like certain parts of the internet then don’t visit them. It’s not like you’re forced to be on social media. It’s clear from people I meet on forums that they don’t go almost anywhere else but that forum...
    - ipaddr 5y ago
      Only expensive software came with instruction manuals (embedded instructions weren't a thing) but when they did they were leather bound. You really had to figure things out yourself. Let's say you had a c64. You have no software installed so you have to type in a program or possible load one from a disk. Completely different mindset. Fast forward years and you have lan doom parties. Everyone goes to a store and plays on a hardwired network. The internet is great.. there is life outside of it if it disappeared.

squeaky-clean 5y ago

I try to do this for the last week of every month. I don't turn off the router because I'm not going to exclude myself from things like Discord with friends, facetime with my Mom, or paying bills with my laptop instead of my phone. But anything non-essential is off limits. It was certainly hard to keep this up in 2020 though, I pretty much dropped the habit from April to December