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This is management's opening negotiating position. In the fight for talent, however, it is not clear that they have the upper hand, because, I, for one, will b

This is management's opening negotiating position. In the fight for talent, however, it is not clear that they have the upper hand, because, I, for one, will be more that willing to offer your employee the ability to work from home. I will ask that the team work out an appropriate culture, which probably includes coming to the office at least once a week -- but certainly not on the other hand four days a week. And I work for a bigco, so either you are going to have to throw even more money at them to show up to your dumb box everyday, or I will win. :)

kortilla 6y ago
> I will ask that the team work out an appropriate culture, which probably includes coming to the office at least once a week What a stupid way to ruin most of the remote upside - not having to live in a particular shitty metro.
PragmaticPulp 6y ago
> I will ask that the team work out an appropriate culture, which probably includes coming to the office at least once a week That's essentially what this article is saying: The big tech companies are requiring employees to live within commuting distance of offices and to come in for some portion of their time. The question now is where the line is drawn on how often they can work from home. The companies aren't saying that everyone has to be in office. Most of these quotes suggest that companies will continue to support remote opportunities for some, but not all, of the workforce.
- eunoia 6y ago
  I personally dislike the hybrid approach because it means everyone still has to remain in the greater Bay Area. Surely there have to be more people like me that enjoy the bigco work but want to live in more human friendly places where we have an actual shot at establishing roots and living real lives.
  - outside1234 6y ago
    I hear you and there might be different models that can work for different teams. And I will note that the greater Bay Area just got a lot bigger if its only once a week.
    - xyzzy_plugh 6y ago
      You're right. Instead of 2-3 hours spent commuting each day, this way I'll only have to spend 10-15 hours once a week.
    - clairity 6y ago
      from a fair bit of the LA area, you can do burbank/long beach to oakland/san jose/sfo (though fog delays are common to sfo) and access a fair bit of the bay area in ~3 hours of commute time each way. not ideal, but once a week would be tolerable for many folks. i’ve done that day trip a number of times (though not weekly), and have known folks who did that (or the reverse) on a weekly basis.
pseudalopex 6y ago
I know people whose teams used to meet in person a few times a year. They loved it. I know someone who had to drive 3 hours for a weekly customer meeting. They started to resent every person they saw those days.

kortilla 6y ago

> I will ask that the team work out an appropriate culture, which probably includes coming to the office at least once a week What a stupid way to ruin most of the remote upside - not having to live in a particular shitty metro.

PragmaticPulp 6y ago

> I will ask that the team work out an appropriate culture, which probably includes coming to the office at least once a week That's essentially what this article is saying: The big tech companies are requiring employees to live within commuting distance of offices and to come in for some portion of their time. The question now is where the line is drawn on how often they can work from home. The companies aren't saying that everyone has to be in office. Most of these quotes suggest that companies will continue to support remote opportunities for some, but not all, of the workforce.

eunoia 6y ago
I personally dislike the hybrid approach because it means everyone still has to remain in the greater Bay Area. Surely there have to be more people like me that enjoy the bigco work but want to live in more human friendly places where we have an actual shot at establishing roots and living real lives.
- outside1234 6y ago
  I hear you and there might be different models that can work for different teams. And I will note that the greater Bay Area just got a lot bigger if its only once a week.
  - xyzzy_plugh 6y ago
    You're right. Instead of 2-3 hours spent commuting each day, this way I'll only have to spend 10-15 hours once a week.
  - clairity 6y ago
    from a fair bit of the LA area, you can do burbank/long beach to oakland/san jose/sfo (though fog delays are common to sfo) and access a fair bit of the bay area in ~3 hours of commute time each way. not ideal, but once a week would be tolerable for many folks. i’ve done that day trip a number of times (though not weekly), and have known folks who did that (or the reverse) on a weekly basis.

pseudalopex 6y ago

I know people whose teams used to meet in person a few times a year. They loved it. I know someone who had to drive 3 hours for a weekly customer meeting. They started to resent every person they saw those days.