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I cannot think of a reason to use signal over xmpp + omemo or pgp The centralized model of singal is a problem, as is reliance on phone numbers to sign in. No

I cannot think of a reason to use signal over xmpp + omemo or pgp The centralized model of singal is a problem, as is reliance on phone numbers to sign in. Not to mention them publishing the source code for the server is only useful if you implicitly trust that is the code they publish is what they are running

Nux 6y ago
Xmpp on mobile is a sad story. Tried hard and failed implementing it at dayjob.
- grumpyautist 6y ago
  Ios or android? I have had great success with conversations on android
  - number6 6y ago
    Conversations works great. Also got a xmpp Server for free with the last mailcow update
  - majewsky 6y ago
    Conversations is great. But as someone who recently switched from Android to iOS, I can attest that XMPP apps on iOS are hot garbage. They probably have to be this way because iOS only allows you to do push notifications through their own gateways, and most (all?) XMPP servers don't have support for such push gateways. I'm now actively trying to get contacts off XMPP because XMPP is too unreliable for me. And that's before we talk about the sad state of XMPP apps on the desktop. You cannot win the messaging market when you have only one good app on a single OS.
    - grumpyautist 6y ago
      Xmpp isn't unreliable. iOS sucks. Gajim works just fine on desktop too. There isn't a lack of support across platforms, just apple. I mean I get it, but those who trade security for convinence deserve neither
  - Nux 5y ago
    Both + desktop windows and linux. Problems ranged from not working properly to at all. If you only need to support one platform maybe it's doable, otherwise just not worth it.
tdeck 6y ago
While those are real problems, this feels like the classic Dropbox comment "For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem." Setting up XMPP and PGP sounds like a pain (almost everything to do with PGP is a pain). Even if you set up such a system, good luck convincing your friends and family to use it with you. I've had some success with Signal adoption but I suspect that XMPP would be a non-starter.
- happyjack 6y ago
  I agree with this. I use XMPP at work and it is great on a desktop, but it is a failure on mobile and a PITA. PGP is also ALWAYS complicated. Much easier to tell friends / family "invite to Signal."
halfmatthalfcat 6y ago
xmpp is great if you want to open your comms up to the world for interopt. If you are writing some proprietary app that will never interface with anything externally, it's much easier, quicker and cheaper to roll your own protocol.
slenk 6y ago
The ease of use for non-technical people is way too low for XMPP + any kind of encryption I feel

Nux 6y ago

Xmpp on mobile is a sad story. Tried hard and failed implementing it at dayjob.

grumpyautist 6y ago
Ios or android? I have had great success with conversations on android
- number6 6y ago
  Conversations works great. Also got a xmpp Server for free with the last mailcow update
- majewsky 6y ago
  Conversations is great. But as someone who recently switched from Android to iOS, I can attest that XMPP apps on iOS are hot garbage. They probably have to be this way because iOS only allows you to do push notifications through their own gateways, and most (all?) XMPP servers don't have support for such push gateways. I'm now actively trying to get contacts off XMPP because XMPP is too unreliable for me. And that's before we talk about the sad state of XMPP apps on the desktop. You cannot win the messaging market when you have only one good app on a single OS.
  - grumpyautist 6y ago
    Xmpp isn't unreliable. iOS sucks. Gajim works just fine on desktop too. There isn't a lack of support across platforms, just apple. I mean I get it, but those who trade security for convinence deserve neither
- Nux 5y ago
  Both + desktop windows and linux. Problems ranged from not working properly to at all. If you only need to support one platform maybe it's doable, otherwise just not worth it.

tdeck 6y ago

While those are real problems, this feels like the classic Dropbox comment "For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem." Setting up XMPP and PGP sounds like a pain (almost everything to do with PGP is a pain). Even if you set up such a system, good luck convincing your friends and family to use it with you. I've had some success with Signal adoption but I suspect that XMPP would be a non-starter.

happyjack 6y ago
I agree with this. I use XMPP at work and it is great on a desktop, but it is a failure on mobile and a PITA. PGP is also ALWAYS complicated. Much easier to tell friends / family "invite to Signal."

halfmatthalfcat 6y ago

xmpp is great if you want to open your comms up to the world for interopt. If you are writing some proprietary app that will never interface with anything externally, it's much easier, quicker and cheaper to roll your own protocol.

slenk 6y ago

The ease of use for non-technical people is way too low for XMPP + any kind of encryption I feel