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> the moment it stopped being possible to send an e2e encrypted text message You're confusing e2e and p2p here. Please don't do this, they are completely diff

> the moment it stopped being possible to send an e2e encrypted text message You're confusing e2e and p2p here. Please don't do this, they are completely different things. Signal messages are encrypted end to end, by the client, which is unambiguously open source: people can, and do, build the latest client using the published source code, to verify the binary. You do have to register, so the server can perform contact discovery, and route messages. And it isn't peer-to-peer, messages pass through a central server for routing. I have no objection to your disliking this architecture, I readily concede that it isn't as secure and anonymous as it theoretically could be, and as Matrix actually is. But please don't propagate misinformation while doing so.

codethief 6y ago
I think OP was actually talking about sending e2e-encrypted text messages (as in: SMS) through their phone carrier's infrastructure – which is what TextSecure (Signal's predecessor) used to support.
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BuildTheRobots 6y ago
> You're confusing e2e and p2p here. I was trying to consciously use both those terms and not interchangeably. It's still end-to-end encrypted, but it's impossible to work without interacting with their servers. When it first started as TextSecure it was capable of encrypting SMS between two handsets in a completely peer-to-peer way; no internet or 3rd party interaction required (just some ability to send SMS).
- samatman 6y ago
  Ah, yes, that had completely slipped my mind. Sorry, I did misunderstand you: to be fair, Signal does send an e2e encrypted message-which-is-text, but referring to SMS as "text messages" is also pretty standard, I just didn't glean that from context. Sure, being able to E2E an SMS was pretty cool! I've given up on SMS ever being replaced with a reasonably modern protocol, I think we're just stuck with siloed apps for the foreseeable future. Which is a pity. Maybe Riot/Matrix will be a fait accompli once its been around for long enough.

codethief 6y ago

I think OP was actually talking about sending e2e-encrypted text messages (as in: SMS) through their phone carrier's infrastructure – which is what TextSecure (Signal's predecessor) used to support.

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BuildTheRobots 6y ago

> You're confusing e2e and p2p here. I was trying to consciously use both those terms and not interchangeably. It's still end-to-end encrypted, but it's impossible to work without interacting with their servers. When it first started as TextSecure it was capable of encrypting SMS between two handsets in a completely peer-to-peer way; no internet or 3rd party interaction required (just some ability to send SMS).

samatman 6y ago
Ah, yes, that had completely slipped my mind. Sorry, I did misunderstand you: to be fair, Signal does send an e2e encrypted message-which-is-text, but referring to SMS as "text messages" is also pretty standard, I just didn't glean that from context. Sure, being able to E2E an SMS was pretty cool! I've given up on SMS ever being replaced with a reasonably modern protocol, I think we're just stuck with siloed apps for the foreseeable future. Which is a pity. Maybe Riot/Matrix will be a fait accompli once its been around for long enough.