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It's illegal for any country to deny entry to a citizen of said country. They can of course arrest you the second you set foot in the country, but that's an en

by grecy 6y ago

It's illegal for any country to deny entry to a citizen of said country. They can of course arrest you the second you set foot in the country, but that's an entirely different story. They must allow you to inter.

bigiain 6y ago
"Illegal" under what jurisdiction? > They must allow you to inter. That's evidently not true. Or at least grossly misleading. Countries can and are refusing to allow all people who want to get onto flights bound for the country they're citizens of. My country (.au) is currently limiting inbound international travellers to 3000 per week, with over 40,000 Australian citizens registered as trying to get home. Some of those people have been trying for close to 12 months to get home. These restrictions mean that airline seat pricing is going insane. In pre Covid times, I'd regularly fly Sydney to SF round trip for $AUD1500-$2000 or so on United. A recent news report says they're now flying business/first class only flights with the cheapest one way LA-SYD tickets being $AUD21,000. Can you imagine being on a trip last Jan/Feb with a return ticket for March or April, only to be told your return ticket keeps getting bumped for higher paying customers but you could always upgrade to a $21,000 ticket to get home. And your travel insurance says "Sucks to be you, you're not covered for pandemics, as outlined in section 374 on page 93 of your Product Disclosure Document you got when you paid your premium. Have a nice day!" So now you're stuck in the US, originally of a 90 day tourist visa waiver and not legally able to work, and there's no casual work available anyway because of Covid shutdowns, and you've needed to manage to find food/shelter for 12 months while waiting for a flight home. I know one of those people, and know of several more...
- 3np 6y ago
  There is an important distinction here - they're restricting the number of inbound planes, as opposed to barring their citizens from entry. Theoretically speaking, if a ship crew of only AU citizens would dock at an Australian port, they would not be denied entry given that they follow quarantine procedures, I assume?
mod 6y ago
Do you mean that all 206-ish countries have laws on the books about this?
- 3np 6y ago
  Can't speak to all, but a lot of them do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return This includes the USA, which is the country in question here. So yes, there seems to be a strong case that this is in fact breaking their own regulation and treaties. https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-right-to-enter-his-or-her-own-country/ https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-right-to-enter-his-or-her-own-c...
3np 6y ago
You may be overgeneralizing a bit, but it's not far from the truth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return This includes the USA, which is the country in question here. So yes, there seems to be a strong case that this is in fact breaking their own regulation and treaties. https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-right-to-enter-his-or-her-own-country/ https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-right-to-enter-his-or-her-own-c...

by grecy 6y ago

bigiain 6y ago

"Illegal" under what jurisdiction? > They must allow you to inter. That's evidently not true. Or at least grossly misleading. Countries can and are refusing to allow all people who want to get onto flights bound for the country they're citizens of. My country (.au) is currently limiting inbound international travellers to 3000 per week, with over 40,000 Australian citizens registered as trying to get home. Some of those people have been trying for close to 12 months to get home. These restrictions mean that airline seat pricing is going insane. In pre Covid times, I'd regularly fly Sydney to SF round trip for $AUD1500-$2000 or so on United. A recent news report says they're now flying business/first class only flights with the cheapest one way LA-SYD tickets being $AUD21,000. Can you imagine being on a trip last Jan/Feb with a return ticket for March or April, only to be told your return ticket keeps getting bumped for higher paying customers but you could always upgrade to a $21,000 ticket to get home. And your travel insurance says "Sucks to be you, you're not covered for pandemics, as outlined in section 374 on page 93 of your Product Disclosure Document you got when you paid your premium. Have a nice day!" So now you're stuck in the US, originally of a 90 day tourist visa waiver and not legally able to work, and there's no casual work available anyway because of Covid shutdowns, and you've needed to manage to find food/shelter for 12 months while waiting for a flight home. I know one of those people, and know of several more...

3np 6y ago
There is an important distinction here - they're restricting the number of inbound planes, as opposed to barring their citizens from entry. Theoretically speaking, if a ship crew of only AU citizens would dock at an Australian port, they would not be denied entry given that they follow quarantine procedures, I assume?

mod 6y ago

Do you mean that all 206-ish countries have laws on the books about this?

3np 6y ago
Can't speak to all, but a lot of them do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return This includes the USA, which is the country in question here. So yes, there seems to be a strong case that this is in fact breaking their own regulation and treaties. https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-right-to-enter-his-or-her-own-country/ https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-right-to-enter-his-or-her-own-c...

3np 6y ago

You may be overgeneralizing a bit, but it's not far from the truth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return This includes the USA, which is the country in question here. So yes, there seems to be a strong case that this is in fact breaking their own regulation and treaties. https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-right-to-enter-his-or-her-own-country/ https://www.ejiltalk.org/the-right-to-enter-his-or-her-own-c...