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>Generally speaking ANYONE can violate someone's constitution rights. It's what happens (if anything) as a result that is important. I disagree. "What happens

>Generally speaking ANYONE can violate someone's constitution rights. It's what happens (if anything) as a result that is important. I disagree. "What happens as a result" is a process that takes... 8 to 10 years before it reaches the supreme court. For all practical purposes it's the degree by which those representing the government hold themselves to the laws of their country that matters. The fact that in 8 years the injustice will be corrected for one or two people that invest an extraordinary amount of time and suffering to make that happen doesn't mean much. This article in itself is also in the best interest of the FBI. "You've been warned. Decline our offer and the same will happen to you." And it wouldn't surprise me if that was an expected benefit when they engaged knowingly in this illegal activity. Government agencies holding themselves to the law is what is important. And that's not what happened in this case. That means my constitutional rights are theoretical, as is my freedom to be left alone from government interference. I won't engage in a 8 year struggle for justice if they knock on the door trying to coerce me. I'll just fuck off to another country instead, where they won't do that. Way easier and a better use of my time.

duxup 6y ago
SCOTUS isn't the end point for most cases so I'm not at all sure that makes sense as a measuring stick. The case in question was just filed.
dennis_jeeves 6y ago
>That means my constitutional rights are theoretical, Well put, though the masses can be brainwashed to believe they have 'rights' which they will passionately discuss and debate.
- thelean12 6y ago
  This sounds deep, but these comments don't actually mean anything. We live in a practical world where "rights" are implemented with enforcement and mass acceptance. Sometimes it doesn't work perfectly. We're doing our best. Calling rights "theoretical" or whatever may be technically true, but it doesn't really matter in the real world. You're not coming across any kind of deep revelation by saying it.
  - dennis_jeeves 6y ago
    thelean12, not to be snarky, but will you come to my aid if I have trouble with the govt, and I'm on the right side of the law? Who compensates me for the time/expenses spent? And while I'm at it - how old are you, and what do you do for a living? Life's experiences matter. (hint - if you run at the very least a small business, and have to deal with taxes and regulation, I'll see your comments in a different light)
    - thelean12 6y ago
      I have no idea what you're trying to say with these questions if it's not to be snarky, so I'm not going to answer them. All I'm saying is that it's not productive to say that people are "brainwashed" into thinking they have rights. People in the US have certain rights, and we have mechanisms to enforce those rights when they are broken. It's not perfect. It never will be. It's extremely snarky to look down on those who "passionately discuss and debate" the topic.
  - N00bN00b 6y ago
    >You're not coming across any kind of deep revelation by saying it. That's subjective. From your perspective it might be obvious. Doesn't mean the same is true for everyone. It's solipsistic to assume otherwise. >We're doing our best. Not really. I'd say most people are barely putting in any effort in general and even more so in this case specifically. Maybe you and I are trying our best, but "we" the people aren't trying our best at all. There are no mass protests, voting participation is low, I don't really see any large scale civil disobedience going on. The message is clearly "it's alright, they're Arabs." Can't really expect anything else with American exceptionalism and individualism. Also, check this out: https://imgur.com/a/aBjdHH5 https://imgur.com/a/aBjdHH5 Just a technical issue, right? Nothing going on there. Second highest score and comment count and it's barely on the first page. There are over 10 submissions that have the same age and a much lower score and comment count that are all near the top of the page. I just refreshed the page and it's gone from the first page. 900+ votes, 350+ comments. Just gone. Another empty statement, I assume. Man, I keep saying nothing today.
    - 6y ago
- caconym_ 6y ago
  It’s disingenuous and unproductive to frame discussions of “rights” in the legal/moral sense this way. A belief that individuals should be entitled to some “right” doesn’t imply a lack of understanding of the fact that an individual can be deprived of the same by force, and that this happens on a daily basis for millions of people all over the world.

duxup 6y ago

SCOTUS isn't the end point for most cases so I'm not at all sure that makes sense as a measuring stick. The case in question was just filed.

dennis_jeeves 6y ago

>That means my constitutional rights are theoretical, Well put, though the masses can be brainwashed to believe they have 'rights' which they will passionately discuss and debate.

thelean12 6y ago
This sounds deep, but these comments don't actually mean anything. We live in a practical world where "rights" are implemented with enforcement and mass acceptance. Sometimes it doesn't work perfectly. We're doing our best. Calling rights "theoretical" or whatever may be technically true, but it doesn't really matter in the real world. You're not coming across any kind of deep revelation by saying it.
- dennis_jeeves 6y ago
  thelean12, not to be snarky, but will you come to my aid if I have trouble with the govt, and I'm on the right side of the law? Who compensates me for the time/expenses spent? And while I'm at it - how old are you, and what do you do for a living? Life's experiences matter. (hint - if you run at the very least a small business, and have to deal with taxes and regulation, I'll see your comments in a different light)
  - thelean12 6y ago
    I have no idea what you're trying to say with these questions if it's not to be snarky, so I'm not going to answer them. All I'm saying is that it's not productive to say that people are "brainwashed" into thinking they have rights. People in the US have certain rights, and we have mechanisms to enforce those rights when they are broken. It's not perfect. It never will be. It's extremely snarky to look down on those who "passionately discuss and debate" the topic.
- N00bN00b 6y ago
  >You're not coming across any kind of deep revelation by saying it. That's subjective. From your perspective it might be obvious. Doesn't mean the same is true for everyone. It's solipsistic to assume otherwise. >We're doing our best. Not really. I'd say most people are barely putting in any effort in general and even more so in this case specifically. Maybe you and I are trying our best, but "we" the people aren't trying our best at all. There are no mass protests, voting participation is low, I don't really see any large scale civil disobedience going on. The message is clearly "it's alright, they're Arabs." Can't really expect anything else with American exceptionalism and individualism. Also, check this out: https://imgur.com/a/aBjdHH5 https://imgur.com/a/aBjdHH5 Just a technical issue, right? Nothing going on there. Second highest score and comment count and it's barely on the first page. There are over 10 submissions that have the same age and a much lower score and comment count that are all near the top of the page. I just refreshed the page and it's gone from the first page. 900+ votes, 350+ comments. Just gone. Another empty statement, I assume. Man, I keep saying nothing today.
  - 6y ago
caconym_ 6y ago
It’s disingenuous and unproductive to frame discussions of “rights” in the legal/moral sense this way. A belief that individuals should be entitled to some “right” doesn’t imply a lack of understanding of the fact that an individual can be deprived of the same by force, and that this happens on a daily basis for millions of people all over the world.