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The FBI doesn't "permit" you to lawyer up, the Bill of Rights does. Comparison of the tactics used is sound. The FBI isn't "less evil" because they "tolerate"

by ohazi 6y ago

The FBI doesn't "permit" you to lawyer up, the Bill of Rights does. Comparison of the tactics used is sound. The FBI isn't "less evil" because they "tolerate" laws that they have no ability to ignore. They aren't tolerating them out of the goodness of their hearts, or out of a sense of morality. If they had the ability to ignore them, they would. Edit: Re: responses I'm not claiming that the FBI is incapable of violating the law, I'm objecting to the parent's claim that they are somehow "less evil" than the Stasi because they "allow" the law to be upheld, when they're not the ones allowing anything. Yes, when they are able to get away with breaking the law, they sometimes do. It's not clear how prevalent this is, because "able to get away with it" implies not getting caught.

Sargos 6y ago
>If they had the ability to ignore them, they would Not to be too inflammatory but there are plenty of cases where they ignore them without technically having the ability.
- worik 6y ago
  COINTELPRO
pjmlp 6y ago
Being the first free generation out of Portuguese dictatorship I never understood this American belief that three letter agencies are angels following the law.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  It's mainly a thing reserved for white collar people in urban and suburban areas. The hicks and the inner city crowd both mostly hate federal law enforcement.
munk-a 6y ago
> If they had the ability to ignore them, they would. They do have the ability to ignore laws, lots of government organizations ignore congressional guidance all the time and it only ever comes back to bite them if someone objects loud enough. The US legal system doesn't "prevent" people from doing anything, we just punish violations and for those violations to be punished someone who cares about the violation has to be aware of the violation. It's a pretty common meme in cop shows today that "We can't wait for a judge to give us a warrant - let's bust down the door" to which the audience cheers since bad guy is obviously bad, but that is illegal and, it can potentially destroy a case IRL - but only if the defense finds out the entry was illegal.
- jwineinger 6y ago
  I don't see how a legal system could prevent people from doing anything against the law. That's always a personal, moral/ethical choice. Aren't all legal systems going to be reactive because of that?
sk5t 6y ago
> the Bill of Rights does The Bill of Rights doesn't permit anything, but rather lists certain inalienable rights held by all persons on U.S. soil--or so the story goes. The worry that it could be construed as a list of grants was extremely controversial.

by ohazi 6y ago

Sargos 6y ago

>If they had the ability to ignore them, they would Not to be too inflammatory but there are plenty of cases where they ignore them without technically having the ability.

worik 6y ago
COINTELPRO

pjmlp 6y ago

Being the first free generation out of Portuguese dictatorship I never understood this American belief that three letter agencies are angels following the law.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago
It's mainly a thing reserved for white collar people in urban and suburban areas. The hicks and the inner city crowd both mostly hate federal law enforcement.

munk-a 6y ago

> If they had the ability to ignore them, they would. They do have the ability to ignore laws, lots of government organizations ignore congressional guidance all the time and it only ever comes back to bite them if someone objects loud enough. The US legal system doesn't "prevent" people from doing anything, we just punish violations and for those violations to be punished someone who cares about the violation has to be aware of the violation. It's a pretty common meme in cop shows today that "We can't wait for a judge to give us a warrant - let's bust down the door" to which the audience cheers since bad guy is obviously bad, but that is illegal and, it can potentially destroy a case IRL - but only if the defense finds out the entry was illegal.

jwineinger 6y ago
I don't see how a legal system could prevent people from doing anything against the law. That's always a personal, moral/ethical choice. Aren't all legal systems going to be reactive because of that?

sk5t 6y ago

> the Bill of Rights does The Bill of Rights doesn't permit anything, but rather lists certain inalienable rights held by all persons on U.S. soil--or so the story goes. The worry that it could be construed as a list of grants was extremely controversial.