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The also hindered you in all kinds of ways like: - You not getting a job. - You losing a job. - You getting "moved" to small villages (e.g. as a teacher). A

The also hindered you in all kinds of ways like: - You not getting a job. - You losing a job. - You getting "moved" to small villages (e.g. as a teacher). And if they couldn't affect you they went for your relative. E.g. your children being bared from studying at a university even if they are qualified and so on.

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
> - You not getting a job. > - You losing a job. These two seem to be getting more popular nowadays.
- WesolyKubeczek 6y ago
  Remember, it's only a no-no if the government does it. If it's "we the people", it's totally fair and indicative of a very progressive and tolerant society. Or something.
  - vetinari 6y ago
    Oh, in socialistic countries it was also the collective of your comrades, it wasn't The Government either. Or so they said.
  - ttt0 6y ago
    It's only okay when it happens to people I don't like, so whoever is considered a nazi or a communist this week (delete as appropriate). Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences, paradox of tolerance etc., you know the drill.
    - WesolyKubeczek 6y ago
      The paradox of tolerance in and of itself is okay. We've seen already what happened if intolerance was tolerated, and way more than once. However, the tightly guarded boundary between "tolerant" and "intolerant", as well as "context thereof" must be defined precisely and not be moved around according to one's mood, or depending on whether someone is losing an argument, or whether someone is in an outgroup or in an ingroup. A good application of the paradox of tolerance requires integrity, which is a threatened species among human traits.
  - betterunix2 6y ago
    In fact the law does forbid certain forms of discrimination by "we the people." You cannot deny someone a job on the basis of age, gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, etc. Redlining is illegal, discrimination in rentals is illegal (as the previous President discovered), etc.
  - hoophoop 6y ago
    > If it's "we the people", it's totally fair and indicative of a very progressive and tolerant society. Or something. This is a very dishonest framing.
Tomte 6y ago
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AOJdpzCN-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AOJdpzCN-4 The whole film is fantastic.
- romwell 6y ago
  As someone born in the USSR, I am fascinated by this movie. It's very German, but also very Soviet, it's almost surreal.
- eternalban 6y ago
  That is a fine film. The protagonists are, however, not ordinary citizens. I'd highly recommend also watching Christian Petzold's Barbara [1]. It's an equally fine film, but it has a different focus. Here, the heroine is an ordinary physician (played by Nina Hoss), banished from Berlin to some province. The film captures the nightmare for the ordinary citizen of authoritarian police states, including the depressing fact that nearly anyone in your life could be informing on you. We also see how cooperating with the state authorities can get you privileges, such as better housing. [1]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2178941/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2178941/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 ~ p.s.: this review is quite good. Almost felt like quoting it in full, as it is rather topical to the thread as well: https://www.imdb.com/review/rw2764284/ https://www.imdb.com/review/rw2764284/

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago

> - You not getting a job. > - You losing a job. These two seem to be getting more popular nowadays.

WesolyKubeczek 6y ago
Remember, it's only a no-no if the government does it. If it's "we the people", it's totally fair and indicative of a very progressive and tolerant society. Or something.
- vetinari 6y ago
  Oh, in socialistic countries it was also the collective of your comrades, it wasn't The Government either. Or so they said.
- ttt0 6y ago
  It's only okay when it happens to people I don't like, so whoever is considered a nazi or a communist this week (delete as appropriate). Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences, paradox of tolerance etc., you know the drill.
  - WesolyKubeczek 6y ago
    The paradox of tolerance in and of itself is okay. We've seen already what happened if intolerance was tolerated, and way more than once. However, the tightly guarded boundary between "tolerant" and "intolerant", as well as "context thereof" must be defined precisely and not be moved around according to one's mood, or depending on whether someone is losing an argument, or whether someone is in an outgroup or in an ingroup. A good application of the paradox of tolerance requires integrity, which is a threatened species among human traits.
- betterunix2 6y ago
  In fact the law does forbid certain forms of discrimination by "we the people." You cannot deny someone a job on the basis of age, gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, etc. Redlining is illegal, discrimination in rentals is illegal (as the previous President discovered), etc.
- hoophoop 6y ago
  > If it's "we the people", it's totally fair and indicative of a very progressive and tolerant society. Or something. This is a very dishonest framing.

Tomte 6y ago

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AOJdpzCN-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AOJdpzCN-4 The whole film is fantastic.

romwell 6y ago
As someone born in the USSR, I am fascinated by this movie. It's very German, but also very Soviet, it's almost surreal.
eternalban 6y ago
That is a fine film. The protagonists are, however, not ordinary citizens. I'd highly recommend also watching Christian Petzold's Barbara [1]. It's an equally fine film, but it has a different focus. Here, the heroine is an ordinary physician (played by Nina Hoss), banished from Berlin to some province. The film captures the nightmare for the ordinary citizen of authoritarian police states, including the depressing fact that nearly anyone in your life could be informing on you. We also see how cooperating with the state authorities can get you privileges, such as better housing. [1]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2178941/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2178941/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 ~ p.s.: this review is quite good. Almost felt like quoting it in full, as it is rather topical to the thread as well: https://www.imdb.com/review/rw2764284/ https://www.imdb.com/review/rw2764284/