4 ms·

While it's terrible enough in either case, it does make a big difference that he's a citizen. Countries have another level of responsibility towards their citiz

by 3np 6y ago

While it's terrible enough in either case, it does make a big difference that he's a citizen. Countries have another level of responsibility towards their citizens than to their residents. It shows in how AFAIK no country has even talked about restricting inbound travel for their citizens during the pandemic while even permanent residents have been blanket denied.

goodcanadian 6y ago
Australia has severely rate limited the number of incoming passengers, including citizens. One year on, there are still tens of thousands of Australians unable to get home that want to do so.
- justaguy88 6y ago
  I haven't seen my parents in over a year due to this, it makes me pretty angry
  - dx034 6y ago
    But those are travel restrictions, not restrictions of entry. For Australia it doesn't make a big difference but they still cannot turn away citizens at their borders. They can detain people or quarantine them but not send them back. I'm not sure if there's any country where denying entry to your citizens is legal.
- 3np 6y ago
  Judging by the information here: https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/travel-restrictions https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/travel-restrictions It seems that citizens (and even permanent residents, which was not the case in e.g. Japan for several months) are free to enter. Sure, number of planes and seats are limited, but that's a different matter from denying entry at the border.
  - goodcanadian 6y ago
    That's like saying you can take as many cookies as you want when the plate is empty. There are citizens and residents who have been unable to get home for over a year!
Taniwha 6y ago
NZ allows both citizens and permanent residents to return home - however we have limited space in managed quarantine that limits how many can return at a time - and if you're just coming home for a holiday, not permanently, or you left for a holiday or biz trip, they will charge you for the whole process
slguy48 6y ago
Sri Lanka banned all inbound passenger flights with only 24 hour notice stranding citizens abroad
- 3np 6y ago
  They denied the flights, they did not deny their citizens entry - a different distinction, even if the immediate effect for an individual plays out similarly.
grecy 6y ago
It's illegal for any country to deny entry to a citizen of said country. They can of course arrest you the second you set foot in the country, but that's an entirely different story. They must allow you to inter.
- bigiain 6y ago
  "Illegal" under what jurisdiction? > They must allow you to inter. That's evidently not true. Or at least grossly misleading. Countries can and are refusing to allow all people who want to get onto flights bound for the country they're citizens of. My country (.au) is currently limiting inbound international travellers to 3000 per week, with over 40,000 Australian citizens registered as trying to get home. Some of those people have been trying for close to 12 months to get home. These restrictions mean that airline seat pricing is going insane. In pre Covid times, I'd regularly fly Sydney to SF round trip for $AUD1500-$2000 or so on United. A recent news report says they're now flying business/first class only flights with the cheapest one way LA-SYD tickets being $AUD21,000. Can you imagine being on a trip last Jan/Feb with a return ticket for March or April, only to be told your return ticket keeps getting bumped for higher paying customers but you could always upgrade to a $21,000 ticket to get home. And your travel insurance says "Sucks to be you, you're not covered for pandemics, as outlined in section 374 on page 93 of your Product Disclosure Document you got when you paid your premium. Have a nice day!" So now you're stuck in the US, originally of a 90 day tourist visa waiver and not legally able to work, and there's no casual work available anyway because of Covid shutdowns, and you've needed to manage to find food/shelter for 12 months while waiting for a flight home. I know one of those people, and know of several more...
  - 3np 6y ago
    There is an important distinction here - they're restricting the number of inbound planes, as opposed to barring their citizens from entry. Theoretically speaking, if a ship crew of only AU citizens would dock at an Australian port, they would not be denied entry given that they follow quarantine procedures, I assume?
- mod 6y ago
  Do you mean that all 206-ish countries have laws on the books about this?

by 3np 6y ago

goodcanadian 6y ago

Australia has severely rate limited the number of incoming passengers, including citizens. One year on, there are still tens of thousands of Australians unable to get home that want to do so.

justaguy88 6y ago
I haven't seen my parents in over a year due to this, it makes me pretty angry
- dx034 6y ago
  But those are travel restrictions, not restrictions of entry. For Australia it doesn't make a big difference but they still cannot turn away citizens at their borders. They can detain people or quarantine them but not send them back. I'm not sure if there's any country where denying entry to your citizens is legal.
3np 6y ago
Judging by the information here: https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/travel-restrictions https://covid19.homeaffairs.gov.au/travel-restrictions It seems that citizens (and even permanent residents, which was not the case in e.g. Japan for several months) are free to enter. Sure, number of planes and seats are limited, but that's a different matter from denying entry at the border.
- goodcanadian 6y ago
  That's like saying you can take as many cookies as you want when the plate is empty. There are citizens and residents who have been unable to get home for over a year!

Taniwha 6y ago

NZ allows both citizens and permanent residents to return home - however we have limited space in managed quarantine that limits how many can return at a time - and if you're just coming home for a holiday, not permanently, or you left for a holiday or biz trip, they will charge you for the whole process

slguy48 6y ago

Sri Lanka banned all inbound passenger flights with only 24 hour notice stranding citizens abroad

3np 6y ago
They denied the flights, they did not deny their citizens entry - a different distinction, even if the immediate effect for an individual plays out similarly.

grecy 6y ago

It's illegal for any country to deny entry to a citizen of said country. They can of course arrest you the second you set foot in the country, but that's an entirely different story. They must allow you to inter.

bigiain 6y ago
"Illegal" under what jurisdiction? > They must allow you to inter. That's evidently not true. Or at least grossly misleading. Countries can and are refusing to allow all people who want to get onto flights bound for the country they're citizens of. My country (.au) is currently limiting inbound international travellers to 3000 per week, with over 40,000 Australian citizens registered as trying to get home. Some of those people have been trying for close to 12 months to get home. These restrictions mean that airline seat pricing is going insane. In pre Covid times, I'd regularly fly Sydney to SF round trip for $AUD1500-$2000 or so on United. A recent news report says they're now flying business/first class only flights with the cheapest one way LA-SYD tickets being $AUD21,000. Can you imagine being on a trip last Jan/Feb with a return ticket for March or April, only to be told your return ticket keeps getting bumped for higher paying customers but you could always upgrade to a $21,000 ticket to get home. And your travel insurance says "Sucks to be you, you're not covered for pandemics, as outlined in section 374 on page 93 of your Product Disclosure Document you got when you paid your premium. Have a nice day!" So now you're stuck in the US, originally of a 90 day tourist visa waiver and not legally able to work, and there's no casual work available anyway because of Covid shutdowns, and you've needed to manage to find food/shelter for 12 months while waiting for a flight home. I know one of those people, and know of several more...
- 3np 6y ago
  There is an important distinction here - they're restricting the number of inbound planes, as opposed to barring their citizens from entry. Theoretically speaking, if a ship crew of only AU citizens would dock at an Australian port, they would not be denied entry given that they follow quarantine procedures, I assume?
mod 6y ago
Do you mean that all 206-ish countries have laws on the books about this?