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USA is a beacon of freedom, Liberty and Equality

by mikesabbagh 6y ago

temp8964 6y ago
So what happens to people refuse to work for the cops in other countries? "Sorry for bothering you, bye-bye"?
- xnyan 6y ago
  If it’s a government for the people, yes. If it’s a government for someone/something else, then make people do stuff for the other by threat of force.
  - Quarrelsome 6y ago
    yes-ish. No government is immune to corruption but certain forms of government narrow areas of operable corruption whereas others can expand it. It's always there but just harder to exploit.
  - temp8964 6y ago
    I am asking about practice, not theory.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    "make people do stuff for the other by threat of force." That's the basic premise of any state and society.
- pjc50 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_undercover_policing_relationships_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_undercover_policing_relatio... The UK is also proposing a law to give informers and police widespread immunity from prosecution for undercover crimes: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/spy-cops-law-bill-police-informants-crime-lords-b1785410.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/spy-cops-law-bill-polic...
- praptak 6y ago
  That's exactly what happened to someone I know who refused to work for an analogue of a three letter agency in Poland. This was 10+ years ago though, so it doesn't say anything about the current state of affairs.
- BiteCode_dev 6y ago
  In a lot of countries, yes.
KorematsuFred 6y ago
* As long as you have right permits, licenses, documentation and if you clear the background verification. * Prior approval for certain activities needed. * None of these virtues matter when it comes to climate change. We can demolish your house, take your children and throw you in ocean if we have to to fight global warming and local cooling.
- TameAntelope 6y ago
  We found that those things help keep you from interfering with the freedoms of others.
- crooked-v 6y ago
  > None of these virtues matter when it comes to climate change. We can demolish your house, take your children and throw you in ocean if we have to to fight global warming and local cooling. What are you even talking about?
  - ttt0 6y ago
    For example a Massachusetts official was talking about how they will have to "break the will" of people who are heating their homes or driving cars. Whatever that means. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muxVGmgykA4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muxVGmgykA4
    - nitrogen 6y ago
      What were the next few sentences after that? Did someone previously mention breaking the will of bad emitters? Was he trying to say "there are no bad guys to break the will of"?
      - ttt0 6y ago
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfnBSlynQC4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfnBSlynQC4 around 00:37:26
ac0lyte 6y ago
Am I correct in assuming that this is sarcasm?
- Anthony-G 6y ago
  It’s probably sarcasm but I don’t think it matters. A glib throw-away comment adds nothing to the discussion.
hajile 6y ago
I'd note that all powers not granted in the US Constitution are denied and federal police forces are definitely NOT allowed by the US Constitution. Once again, it's just the garbage logic that EVERYTHING can potentially affect more than one state, so they have the right to control everything via the interstate commerce clause.

USA is a beacon of freedom, Liberty and Equality

temp8964 6y ago

So what happens to people refuse to work for the cops in other countries? "Sorry for bothering you, bye-bye"?

xnyan 6y ago
If it’s a government for the people, yes. If it’s a government for someone/something else, then make people do stuff for the other by threat of force.
- Quarrelsome 6y ago
  yes-ish. No government is immune to corruption but certain forms of government narrow areas of operable corruption whereas others can expand it. It's always there but just harder to exploit.
- temp8964 6y ago
  I am asking about practice, not theory.
- giantg2 6y ago
  "make people do stuff for the other by threat of force." That's the basic premise of any state and society.
pjc50 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_undercover_policing_relationships_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_undercover_policing_relatio... The UK is also proposing a law to give informers and police widespread immunity from prosecution for undercover crimes: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/spy-cops-law-bill-police-informants-crime-lords-b1785410.html https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/spy-cops-law-bill-polic...
praptak 6y ago
That's exactly what happened to someone I know who refused to work for an analogue of a three letter agency in Poland. This was 10+ years ago though, so it doesn't say anything about the current state of affairs.
BiteCode_dev 6y ago
In a lot of countries, yes.

KorematsuFred 6y ago

* As long as you have right permits, licenses, documentation and if you clear the background verification. * Prior approval for certain activities needed. * None of these virtues matter when it comes to climate change. We can demolish your house, take your children and throw you in ocean if we have to to fight global warming and local cooling.

TameAntelope 6y ago
We found that those things help keep you from interfering with the freedoms of others.
crooked-v 6y ago
> None of these virtues matter when it comes to climate change. We can demolish your house, take your children and throw you in ocean if we have to to fight global warming and local cooling. What are you even talking about?
- ttt0 6y ago
  For example a Massachusetts official was talking about how they will have to "break the will" of people who are heating their homes or driving cars. Whatever that means. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muxVGmgykA4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muxVGmgykA4
  - nitrogen 6y ago
    What were the next few sentences after that? Did someone previously mention breaking the will of bad emitters? Was he trying to say "there are no bad guys to break the will of"?
    - ttt0 6y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfnBSlynQC4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfnBSlynQC4 around 00:37:26

ac0lyte 6y ago

Am I correct in assuming that this is sarcasm?

Anthony-G 6y ago
It’s probably sarcasm but I don’t think it matters. A glib throw-away comment adds nothing to the discussion.

hajile 6y ago

I'd note that all powers not granted in the US Constitution are denied and federal police forces are definitely NOT allowed by the US Constitution. Once again, it's just the garbage logic that EVERYTHING can potentially affect more than one state, so they have the right to control everything via the interstate commerce clause.