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> Intel's processes (i.e. turning files on a computer into chips) have been a complete disaster in recent years, to the point of basically missing one of their

by ac29 6y ago

> Intel's processes (i.e. turning files on a computer into chips) have been a complete disaster in recent years, to the point of basically missing one of their key die shrinks entirely as far as I can tell. Which one? I dont believe they missed a die shrink, it just took a long time. Intel 14nm came out in 2014 with their Broadwell Processors, and the next node, 10nm came out in 2019 (technically 2018, but very few units shipped that year).

mhh__ 6y ago
Cannon Lake I believe was basically cancelled.
- chx 6y ago
  You wish. It was released because a bunch of Intel managers had bonuses tied to launching 10nm and so they released it.
  - rincebrain 6y ago
    "Released" is a very generous term for a product that had one SKU anyone ever saw outside of 3DMark. (And two if you include the m3-8114Y, which appears to only exist in some uploaded benchmarks as far as anyone can tell.)
    - chx 6y ago
      It wasn't a wide release by any means for sure but the IdeaPad 330-15ICN existed mostly for educational markets but was even sold Chinese retail.
totalZero 6y ago
Intel killed the longstanding "tick tock" model in 2016 because of failures with 10nm yield and the higher-than-expected costs of 14nm. Intel got too aggressive with the timeline of the die shrink, which led to them trying to do 10nm on DUV rather than waiting for EUV technology where the light is about an order of magnitude shorter in wavelength than that of DUV (and thus able to resolve today's nano-scale features without all the RETs needed for DUV). From the 2015 10-K [0]: "We expect to lengthen the amount of time we will utilize our 14nm and our next-generation 10nm process technologies, further optimizing our products and process technologies while meeting the yearly market cadence for product introductions." Spoiler alert: In the five years after shelving the tick-tock model, Intel also missed the yearly market cadence for product introductions. [0] https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/50863/000005086316000105/a10kdocument12262015q4.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/50863/00000508631600...

by ac29 6y ago

mhh__ 6y ago

Cannon Lake I believe was basically cancelled.

chx 6y ago
You wish. It was released because a bunch of Intel managers had bonuses tied to launching 10nm and so they released it.
- rincebrain 6y ago
  "Released" is a very generous term for a product that had one SKU anyone ever saw outside of 3DMark. (And two if you include the m3-8114Y, which appears to only exist in some uploaded benchmarks as far as anyone can tell.)
  - chx 6y ago
    It wasn't a wide release by any means for sure but the IdeaPad 330-15ICN existed mostly for educational markets but was even sold Chinese retail.

totalZero 6y ago

Intel killed the longstanding "tick tock" model in 2016 because of failures with 10nm yield and the higher-than-expected costs of 14nm. Intel got too aggressive with the timeline of the die shrink, which led to them trying to do 10nm on DUV rather than waiting for EUV technology where the light is about an order of magnitude shorter in wavelength than that of DUV (and thus able to resolve today's nano-scale features without all the RETs needed for DUV). From the 2015 10-K [0]: "We expect to lengthen the amount of time we will utilize our 14nm and our next-generation 10nm process technologies, further optimizing our products and process technologies while meeting the yearly market cadence for product introductions." Spoiler alert: In the five years after shelving the tick-tock model, Intel also missed the yearly market cadence for product introductions. [0] https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/50863/000005086316000105/a10kdocument12262015q4.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/50863/00000508631600...