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by rainyMammoth 5y ago
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- igorkraw 5y agoIt's not unrelated until systemic racism is gone
- Moodles 5y agoHave we tried not bringing up race for unrelated reasons like articles about WeWork though? That might help a bit.
- luckylion 5y agoNo, that would "solidify the status quo" and be a sign of white supremacy. You don't want to be a white supremacist, do you, citizen?
- ipaddr 5y agoYou may be confusing systemic racism with simple population density. Systemic racism is an existing system in place that acts on racial data. Simple population density is you noticing that the majority of people around you are one color.
- Moodles 5y agoMost people in the US are literally white men and women, lol. Oh, journalists...
- xnyan 5y agoYou’re being purposely obtuse. 13.4% of Americans are black, in a just and equitable society I would expect somewhere around 13% of founders to be black.
- WrtCdEvrydy 5y agoNot possible. If we apply the same rule as prison populations in the US, I would expect 75% black founders.
- prepend 5y agoWhy would you expect founders to be that closely distributed by race? Assuming race is random, there are only a few thousand founders so it’s quite possible to have lots of variation in samples that small.
- ectopod 5y agoA sample of thousands is huge. Imagine rolling a dice a few thousand times and getting no or very few sixes. You would be certain that the dice wasn't fair.
- prepend 5y agoDo you think race is as random as dice? Imagine rolling a thousand dice thousands of time and then finding a random lot of a thousand that had lots of odd numbers and claiming the dice weren’t fair.
- ectopod 5y agoIf you rolled a dice a few thousand times and found a very unlikely subsequence of length one thousand then the dice almost certainly would be unfair. You need to spend lifetimes rolling dice to find sequences of a thousand rolls where the numbers of ones, twos, etc. are very much different from 166.
- prepend 5y ago330M people is 330k 1k samples. So there will be some in there with different clusters of race. So it is a “lifetime” of rolling dice. Given distribution of race in the US it’s like 1-4 is white, 5 is black, 6 is hispanic. And so there will be quite a few samples of a thousand that are higher than 66% 1-4. The problem is assuming that founders would have the same distribution of the population.
- reilly3000 5y agoThe whole point is that it IS related. Country club settings are historically a bastion of racism, and there is a modern corollary here. I think the burden falls on you to prove its not related.
- Will_Parker 5y agoAnd, by the way, if you think it might not be related then _you_ are the racist. Gotcha!!
- bluefirebrand 5y agoThis kind of "racist until proven otherwise" thinking is really not helping anything
- johndevor 5y agoIt's Kafka-esque
- s3r3nity 5y agoYou cannot prove non-existence - the burden is in fact on proving it _is_ related. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Proving-Non-Existence https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Proving...
- ARandomerDude 5y agoPeople named reilly3000 are historically racists. Prove me wrong.
- ipaddr 5y agoStereotyping is prejudging someone. Racism is prejudging someone. Don't prejudge.
- BlueTemplar 5y agoBtw, what do you call "ethnic prejudice" when it's not race-based : like Muslim semites vs Jewish semites or Protestant whites vs Catholic whites (Irish, Latinos)... and I'm not sure that religion is particularly important for the last two ones where the US is concerned?
- exogeny 5y agoIt’s very related. It’s hard to go and decide to start a company unless you’ve got the economics to do so, either in the form of available capital or a fall-back security blanket. Those things, in America, trend disproportionately White. Don’t ever forget: for as much as they will try to make it seem like Silicon Valley is a true meritocracy, the #1 most common thing that successful entrepreneurs have is that they grew up rich.
- centimeter 5y ago> Those things, in America, trend disproportionately White. It's funny how people never bring up how this effect is shockingly disproportionately mediated by Jews and not, like, Appalachian or midwestern whites.
- Wonnk13 5y agowait a second, I was told all I had to do was learn to meditate, read the stoics and take cold showers.
- NationalPark 5y agoOh come on, you must have read the very next sentence in that paragraph and deliberately left it out so it looked like that phrase was tossed in there without making any kind of point. Shameful, incendiary posting on your part if you ask me. What did you hope to achieve by stirring up tired culture war drama on hackernews? > These founders—mostly white men and women—wanted a place to work, but they also wanted membership in a club. Or was it a fraternity?
- faanghacker 5y agoIf we're going to highlight the founders' whiteness, can we also highlight their Jewishness?
- hourislate 5y agoFrom what I understand and there is good chance I misunderstood, Jews don't consider themselves to be "White".
- Moodles 5y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s seems vaguely related
- slibhb 5y agoIn the little box you check off to select your ethnicity, Jews are in fact expected to check off white. edit - You can write in "Jewish" but there's no "Jewish" box. This is why I turned against affirmative action (or taking account of ethnicity in any way). Jews are disproportionately rich and successful but they are "white" for the purposes of admissions. Meanwhile Asians, also disproportionately rich and successful, are "Asian". Why? Who makes these rules? Should anyone be making rules like that? You could improve the situation by only providing ethnicity options that help the application (i.e. remove "Asian" and "white" and just stick to "black," "latino," "pacific islander," etc). This is definitely better but it's still bad in my opinion.
- prepend 5y agoUnless they are Hispanic. Jews, like all members of religions, are expected to check off the ethnicity and race that they identify with.
- BlueTemplar 5y agoLatinos are white, why would you separate them ?
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- Andrex 5y ago"Every article" seems like hyperbole. This language is also on-brand for The New Yorker, which is known for opinionated authors writing opinionated language. There are more important things to worry about, to be honest.
- mountainb 5y agoBecause the writers want to build support to expropriate that racial group. Just imagine if it was "mostly Jewish men and women" and it's easy to see. In this case the cofounders actually were both Jewish, so they are both racially white and ethnically Jewish. If they identified them by their ethnicity or religious identification in such a sentence, they'd get a call from the ADL. You can write or say anything you want about whites in the most incendiary Radio Rwanda type terms and keep your job while advancing your social standing in the United States.
- BlueTemplar 5y agoIt looks like race categories are unhelpful anyway. Ethnicity is helpful, and religion is the most important part of it. Just look at the ethnic conflicts between same-race ethnies like Muslim semites vs Jewish semites or Protestant whites vs Catholic whites (Irish, Latinos)...
- dang 5y agoIt's not helpful to delete the context of how a flamewar got started. More helpful would be not start flamewars in the future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: it looks like your account has been using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's one line at which we ban accounts, because it destroys what this site is supposed to be for. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... If you'd please review the guidelines and stick to them, we'd appreciate it.