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There are a lot of cases where design does not matter. For example, if your software works without a GUI or even no user interface whatsoever. Now of course yo

There are a lot of cases where design does not matter. For example, if your software works without a GUI or even no user interface whatsoever. Now of course you could argue that even a programming language is "designed", but that's clearly a different kind of design. You have to draw the line somewhere, otherwise "design" can pretty much be anything you want.

ThomPete 15y ago
I am not sure what you mean with that. I would say that it matters quite a lot whether your software works without a GUI or even no interface whatsoever. In any case you cannot not, design software. Design _is_ almost anything you want and I find it more important to realize that than to try and draw lines somewhere. I know brilliant software designers who can't draw a straight line but are excellent developers and have an excellent understanding of what it takes.
- sgdesign 15y ago
  If design is anything you want it to be, then I don't really see the point of talking about it. Maybe you were not commenting on the article but just making a point. If that's the case I apologize. But my post was specifically talking about the kind of design that you would hire a web designer to do, so in this case the line is pretty clearly drawn.
  - ThomPete 15y ago
    I would hire a web designer for many things, product design wouldn't necessarily be one of them. Again you are taking a small subpart of design and trying to make it the de facto standard of design. It's not. Even if we where to use that subpart even within "web-design" there is a style component and a problem solving component just as there is a communication component. Even if you design a CLI you are designing. It's pretty important what type you use, what colors you use and so one. Not for style purpose but for actual usefulness of the interface.
  - erikpukinskis 15y ago
    Design isn't anything you want it to be, but it certainly includes programming language design. It includes API design. Any situation where you are creating an experience for a human you are doing design.

ThomPete 15y ago

I am not sure what you mean with that. I would say that it matters quite a lot whether your software works without a GUI or even no interface whatsoever. In any case you cannot not, design software. Design _is_ almost anything you want and I find it more important to realize that than to try and draw lines somewhere. I know brilliant software designers who can't draw a straight line but are excellent developers and have an excellent understanding of what it takes.

sgdesign 15y ago
If design is anything you want it to be, then I don't really see the point of talking about it. Maybe you were not commenting on the article but just making a point. If that's the case I apologize. But my post was specifically talking about the kind of design that you would hire a web designer to do, so in this case the line is pretty clearly drawn.
- ThomPete 15y ago
  I would hire a web designer for many things, product design wouldn't necessarily be one of them. Again you are taking a small subpart of design and trying to make it the de facto standard of design. It's not. Even if we where to use that subpart even within "web-design" there is a style component and a problem solving component just as there is a communication component. Even if you design a CLI you are designing. It's pretty important what type you use, what colors you use and so one. Not for style purpose but for actual usefulness of the interface.
- erikpukinskis 15y ago
  Design isn't anything you want it to be, but it certainly includes programming language design. It includes API design. Any situation where you are creating an experience for a human you are doing design.