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That's an interesting point. How are doctors evaluated if they move to a new city or something? How do they know if the candidate is a good cardiologist? Is it

That's an interesting point. How are doctors evaluated if they move to a new city or something? How do they know if the candidate is a good cardiologist? Is it purely based on their CV and their previous roles? I admit it's absurd to imagine that a cardiologist would be asked to label parts of the heart (~fizzbuzz) on a diagram at the interview. I also don't think they look at outcome stats of their patients. Or is it mainly based on who they know and who recommends them?

Apocryphon 6y ago
Maybe the different in processes means that their diploma, medical license, and other certifications means they've been effectively whiteboarded already and do not require re-testing along those same lines. Would be interesting to consider if it's possible to administer a whiteboarding exam on programmers once, and then consider them solid on the concepts tested if they pass. And if not, then why? Does that mean whiteboarding as it is practiced now is insufficient? Because it certainly seems like for engineers who switch jobs every 2-5 years, they have to be whiteboarded again even if they've had prior experience, even at larger corporations known for rigorous interview practices. It's as if this industry lacks confidence in its own employment standards, unlike the medical, legal, and other accredited fields.
- bonoboTP 6y ago
  Another example is language certificates. Maybe less well known to the monolingual English speakers here, but jobs in non-English speaking countries often have the requirement to speak English for business contact, to read professional reference material etc. There are many exams and certificates (local ones, or international ones, like TOEFL, IELTS, etc.), and they are nice on a CV, but they will always do a short test if you can actually speak the language. Passing a standard test is not always enough. It may also be the fact that doctoring is more about keeping a large amount of facts and experiences in mind as condensed expertise, while programming is more about raw intelligence and solving novel problems analytically (although this sounds a bit pretentious and self-important, I know). Cardiology is very unlike logic puzzles. Now sure, day-to-day programming may also not be much like logic puzzles, hence the endless criticism of whiteboard leetcode interviews.
908B64B197 6y ago
> How are doctors evaluated if they move to a new city or something? Depends which border they cross. Then there's a lot of red tape and regulation by the local cartel to deal with.

Apocryphon 6y ago

Maybe the different in processes means that their diploma, medical license, and other certifications means they've been effectively whiteboarded already and do not require re-testing along those same lines. Would be interesting to consider if it's possible to administer a whiteboarding exam on programmers once, and then consider them solid on the concepts tested if they pass. And if not, then why? Does that mean whiteboarding as it is practiced now is insufficient? Because it certainly seems like for engineers who switch jobs every 2-5 years, they have to be whiteboarded again even if they've had prior experience, even at larger corporations known for rigorous interview practices. It's as if this industry lacks confidence in its own employment standards, unlike the medical, legal, and other accredited fields.

bonoboTP 6y ago
Another example is language certificates. Maybe less well known to the monolingual English speakers here, but jobs in non-English speaking countries often have the requirement to speak English for business contact, to read professional reference material etc. There are many exams and certificates (local ones, or international ones, like TOEFL, IELTS, etc.), and they are nice on a CV, but they will always do a short test if you can actually speak the language. Passing a standard test is not always enough. It may also be the fact that doctoring is more about keeping a large amount of facts and experiences in mind as condensed expertise, while programming is more about raw intelligence and solving novel problems analytically (although this sounds a bit pretentious and self-important, I know). Cardiology is very unlike logic puzzles. Now sure, day-to-day programming may also not be much like logic puzzles, hence the endless criticism of whiteboard leetcode interviews.

908B64B197 6y ago

> How are doctors evaluated if they move to a new city or something? Depends which border they cross. Then there's a lot of red tape and regulation by the local cartel to deal with.