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As someone who is “tech salary rich” (so, “rich” without quotes to most New Yorkers) but not “VC rich”, I don’t really relate to this comment. The MTA’s decline

As someone who is “tech salary rich” (so, “rich” without quotes to most New Yorkers) but not “VC rich”, I don’t really relate to this comment. The MTA’s decline is largely caused by it weirdly being run by the state rather than the city, and constant bickering between Cuomo and de Blasio (which has caused lots of other problems, too). Homelessness is an issue, but high income people also very aggressively resist sheltering people in their neighborhoods [1]. And while murders rose last year (as they did in most US cities) crime in NYC has been steadily falling for decades. [1] https://www.curbed.com/2020/11/upper-west-side-homeless-hotels-lucerne-nyc.html https://www.curbed.com/2020/11/upper-west-side-homeless-hote...

Chris2048 6y ago
> high income people also very aggressively resist sheltering people in their neighborhoods perhaps b/c they think it would make the problem worse, not better - there is a trend whereby places with better facilities for homeless will attract more homeless (ala San-fran). NY has as such payed homeless to relocate elsewhere. The fact that the MTA is so poorly maintained is perhaps evidence that shelters are likely to be poorly run too?
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  I might be more swayed by that hypothesis were the NIMBYs not referring to the homeless as "trash", "scum", "thugs", hanging nooses and advocating violent assault. Here are some actual quotes [1] from people organizing against sheltering homeless people in their neighborhoods: > I think at this point if anyone sees anyone doing this behavior the person witnessing it should run up to them while they're squatting and start kicking them as hard as they possibly can. Maybe if people start being super aggressive and act very violently these vagrants will stop, or at least realize they may get attacked. And I don't mean just kick, I mean kick with bad intentions and they [sic] intent to injure. Kick them in front of a bus if possible. > Forget pepper spray or mace. Use Hornet Spray and shoot at the eyes. Will give you time to run away. [1] https://gothamist.com/news/angry-upper-west-siders-wanted-homeless-scum-out-their-neighborhood-de-blasio-took-their-side https://gothamist.com/news/angry-upper-west-siders-wanted-ho...
  - pc86 6y ago
    If someone is hanging a noose that's an objectively racist act and the fact that the victim happens to be homeless is probably not the biggest thing the person has a problem with.
    - jakelazaroff 6y ago
      Sure, but I think you have to look at it intersectionally. The fact that they called them "thugs" and used a noose doesn't mean that they're only motivated by racism. Their hostility might manifest differently if the homeless people were mostly white, but it wouldn't go away.
      - bradlys 6y ago
        Weird. Never really heard of anyone calling homeless people thugs. I don't even associate homelessness with black. I associate it with crazy white dudes shitting everywhere - but maybe that's because I'm on the west coast where it seems the majority of homeless guys getting attention are white. I guess there's also the fact that if you were black, homeless, and crazy - you'd have been killed by the police already. Black and homeless - probably keeping lower profile as to avoid police killing you.
        jakelazaroff 6y ago
        Demographics will be different in different areas. In NYC, over half of homeless shelter residents are Black, and an additional third are Latinx. https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/NYCHomelessnessFactSheet_7-2017_citations.pdf https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/wp-content/uploads/2...
  - Chris2048 6y ago
    According to that same FB group: Posts, comments and/or views expressed in this group represent the thoughts of individual members and may not necessarily represent those of the group, other members, or the Group’s moderators and admins. This appears to be the same guy: https://nypost.com/2020/01/21/lawyer-for-ex-ballet-benefactor-calls-clients-lewd-texts-obnoxious/ https://nypost.com/2020/01/21/lawyer-for-ex-ballet-benefacto... Quite frankly, I don't trust this reporting, especially since it reports someone "flashing a white power finger gesture" which was clearly the "OK" gesture. The "noose" is also ambiguous - a loop of rope on scaffolding - but I can't tell if it tightens when pulled or not.

Chris2048 6y ago

> high income people also very aggressively resist sheltering people in their neighborhoods perhaps b/c they think it would make the problem worse, not better - there is a trend whereby places with better facilities for homeless will attract more homeless (ala San-fran). NY has as such payed homeless to relocate elsewhere. The fact that the MTA is so poorly maintained is perhaps evidence that shelters are likely to be poorly run too?

jakelazaroff 6y ago
I might be more swayed by that hypothesis were the NIMBYs not referring to the homeless as "trash", "scum", "thugs", hanging nooses and advocating violent assault. Here are some actual quotes [1] from people organizing against sheltering homeless people in their neighborhoods: > I think at this point if anyone sees anyone doing this behavior the person witnessing it should run up to them while they're squatting and start kicking them as hard as they possibly can. Maybe if people start being super aggressive and act very violently these vagrants will stop, or at least realize they may get attacked. And I don't mean just kick, I mean kick with bad intentions and they [sic] intent to injure. Kick them in front of a bus if possible. > Forget pepper spray or mace. Use Hornet Spray and shoot at the eyes. Will give you time to run away. [1] https://gothamist.com/news/angry-upper-west-siders-wanted-homeless-scum-out-their-neighborhood-de-blasio-took-their-side https://gothamist.com/news/angry-upper-west-siders-wanted-ho...
- pc86 6y ago
  If someone is hanging a noose that's an objectively racist act and the fact that the victim happens to be homeless is probably not the biggest thing the person has a problem with.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    Sure, but I think you have to look at it intersectionally. The fact that they called them "thugs" and used a noose doesn't mean that they're only motivated by racism. Their hostility might manifest differently if the homeless people were mostly white, but it wouldn't go away.
    - bradlys 6y ago
      Weird. Never really heard of anyone calling homeless people thugs. I don't even associate homelessness with black. I associate it with crazy white dudes shitting everywhere - but maybe that's because I'm on the west coast where it seems the majority of homeless guys getting attention are white. I guess there's also the fact that if you were black, homeless, and crazy - you'd have been killed by the police already. Black and homeless - probably keeping lower profile as to avoid police killing you.
      - jakelazaroff 6y ago
        Demographics will be different in different areas. In NYC, over half of homeless shelter residents are Black, and an additional third are Latinx. https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/NYCHomelessnessFactSheet_7-2017_citations.pdf https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/wp-content/uploads/2...
- Chris2048 6y ago
  According to that same FB group: Posts, comments and/or views expressed in this group represent the thoughts of individual members and may not necessarily represent those of the group, other members, or the Group’s moderators and admins. This appears to be the same guy: https://nypost.com/2020/01/21/lawyer-for-ex-ballet-benefactor-calls-clients-lewd-texts-obnoxious/ https://nypost.com/2020/01/21/lawyer-for-ex-ballet-benefacto... Quite frankly, I don't trust this reporting, especially since it reports someone "flashing a white power finger gesture" which was clearly the "OK" gesture. The "noose" is also ambiguous - a loop of rope on scaffolding - but I can't tell if it tightens when pulled or not.