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Because its my car? I bought it? 30 years ago you could dig into basically any car, (and their safety was worse than of modern cars), yet how often you saw some

Because its my car? I bought it? 30 years ago you could dig into basically any car, (and their safety was worse than of modern cars), yet how often you saw someone modify their car to the point of health incident? But when it broke, at least we could open the hood and make it run again. Now instead we got cars that will refuse to move if it happen to update firmware in underground garage, and you cant get it out without teslatruck. (I think this was fixed, but the point still stands) > Its not a phone Why is it okay for phones? How come we somehow collectively aggreed that its OK for manufacturers to lock our own phones away from us? I really hate this attitude of "I dont trust myself to tinker with it so I think noone else should be allowed to". Thats the attitude which, if it gets enough traction, takes our freedoms away.

yladiz 6y ago
> Why is it okay for phones? Because phones are not enormous metal machines that could easily get into an accident and kill its passengers.
- finnthehuman 6y ago
  >enormous metal machines that could easily get into an accident Changing brake pads is a easy job that I did in the backyard a number of times. Then I moved to the city and got an office job. A 40 year old engineer that works on safety critical software gave me a snide remark about how stopping a car is too important and he'd be afraid to take that into his own hands. I quickly learned not to talk about DIY on anything that wasn't toys unless I wanted to listen to people generalize from their own lack of experience and consider me reckless.
  - Syonyk 6y ago
    > I quickly learned not to talk about DIY on anything that wasn't toys unless I wanted to listen to people generalize from their own lack of experience and consider me reckless. Yeah... I know exactly what you're talking about. Look for dirt under fingernails on a Monday morning, that's a good clue someone might do their own work. Or weld splatter burns on a beat up jacket. Of course, occasionally you get a dead giveaway like someone driving an 80s sports car to work that is clearly both well maintained and not quite stock... What I couldn't wrap my head around was the sense of "proud ignorance" a lot of people seemed to have about not knowing how to do anything mechanical. It wasn't just, "I don't know how to do that, is it hard?" - it was "I don't know how to do that, and why would I bother learning when I can pay someone else to do that?" It never made sense to me. If a vehicle is easier for me to work on, then it's going to be easier for someone else (a local shop) to work on as well. And if I know what a job requires, I can decide if it's worth paying someone else to do it. Paying someone $200 to do wheel bearings in the dead of winter? Worth the money. Paying someone $800 to replace a water pump, serpentine belt, and a few other things when I can do it in a few hours on a nice Saturday? Not so much.
- MaxikCZ 6y ago
  I think you got it backwards: Why is it okay for manufacturers to lock phones from us? It cant be because they are enormous metal machines that could easily get into an accident and kill its passengers, yet a locked phone is still more or less the only option. Now the cars are enormous metal machines that could easily get into an accident and kill its passengers, yet, until recently, were "open" to any and all modifications by anyone. And it didnt affect their safety. The point is, locking cars isnt happening for our safety, its happening to increase profits. But people dont like to hear it, so the pitch is safety. By this tempo soon the bananas will be legal to be peeled only by certified servicemans, because wrong disposal of the peel may cause injury to a person.

yladiz 6y ago

> Why is it okay for phones? Because phones are not enormous metal machines that could easily get into an accident and kill its passengers.

finnthehuman 6y ago
>enormous metal machines that could easily get into an accident Changing brake pads is a easy job that I did in the backyard a number of times. Then I moved to the city and got an office job. A 40 year old engineer that works on safety critical software gave me a snide remark about how stopping a car is too important and he'd be afraid to take that into his own hands. I quickly learned not to talk about DIY on anything that wasn't toys unless I wanted to listen to people generalize from their own lack of experience and consider me reckless.
- Syonyk 6y ago
  > I quickly learned not to talk about DIY on anything that wasn't toys unless I wanted to listen to people generalize from their own lack of experience and consider me reckless. Yeah... I know exactly what you're talking about. Look for dirt under fingernails on a Monday morning, that's a good clue someone might do their own work. Or weld splatter burns on a beat up jacket. Of course, occasionally you get a dead giveaway like someone driving an 80s sports car to work that is clearly both well maintained and not quite stock... What I couldn't wrap my head around was the sense of "proud ignorance" a lot of people seemed to have about not knowing how to do anything mechanical. It wasn't just, "I don't know how to do that, is it hard?" - it was "I don't know how to do that, and why would I bother learning when I can pay someone else to do that?" It never made sense to me. If a vehicle is easier for me to work on, then it's going to be easier for someone else (a local shop) to work on as well. And if I know what a job requires, I can decide if it's worth paying someone else to do it. Paying someone $200 to do wheel bearings in the dead of winter? Worth the money. Paying someone $800 to replace a water pump, serpentine belt, and a few other things when I can do it in a few hours on a nice Saturday? Not so much.
MaxikCZ 6y ago
I think you got it backwards: Why is it okay for manufacturers to lock phones from us? It cant be because they are enormous metal machines that could easily get into an accident and kill its passengers, yet a locked phone is still more or less the only option. Now the cars are enormous metal machines that could easily get into an accident and kill its passengers, yet, until recently, were "open" to any and all modifications by anyone. And it didnt affect their safety. The point is, locking cars isnt happening for our safety, its happening to increase profits. But people dont like to hear it, so the pitch is safety. By this tempo soon the bananas will be legal to be peeled only by certified servicemans, because wrong disposal of the peel may cause injury to a person.