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Just an observation, the male/female ratio on this support letter is dramatically higher than on the letter pushing for resignation https://rms-open-letter.gith

Just an observation, the male/female ratio on this support letter is dramatically higher than on the letter pushing for resignation https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ https://rms-open-letter.github.io/

guessbest 6y ago
What's the ratio of each? Is there a tracker?
- search_social 6y ago
  >What's the ratio of each? Is there a tracker? Yes. >Among the companies participating in this lucrative trade was Dehomag, IBM’s 90 percent–owned subsidiary. Shortly after Hitler came to power in 1933, Dehomag was asked to assist the German government in its task of ethnic identification, with particular reference to Jews and Gypsies. Watson thought it was such a stunning business opportunity that he went to Germany in October of that year and increased IBM’s investment in the German subsidiary by another million dollars, a hefty sum in those days. Thanks to the *Hollerith machine* the Nazis were able to increase their count of Germans with Jewish forebears from an estimated 400,000 to 600,000 to 2 million people. >Every time the Nazis invaded and took another country—Austria, Poland, Belgium, Denmark, Holland, France—the call would go out for the rental of *IBM machines* to identify Jews and Gypsies in the conquered countries. These also ended up as *tracking, counting, and recording machines* in the concentration camps. It was all very efficient and very rewarding for IBM’s bottom line. Edwin Black writes that Nazi Germany became the second most important customer for IBM after the United States. When his groundbreaking book, IBM and the Holocaust, was published in 2001, it was heralded as a major exposé of a little-known but central aspect of the German annihilation of Jews in the Holocaust. Newsweek called it “An explosive new book....Backed by exhaustive research, Black’s case is simple and stunning.” Annotation: History never repeats. But it rhymes.
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oscribinn 6y ago
Not sure where you're getting your numbers from, but I get the feeling they'd be different if you were only counting biological women as female.
- search_social 6y ago
  >Not sure where you're getting your numbers from, but I get the feeling they'd be different if you were only counting biological women as female. Leah is an outspoken defender of FSF. https://libreboot.org/news/rms.html#rms-is-not-transphobic https://libreboot.org/news/rms.html#rms-is-not-transphobic https://twitter.com/n4of7 https://twitter.com/n4of7
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  - aleksejrs 6y ago
    Transpeople are probably still targeted by the propaganda more than biological women are.
    - aleksejrs 6y ago
      I mean those as two intersecting groups (lost the word when editing).
torthrowaway999 6y ago
Could you please publish your results? Exploring this would be interesting. Did you account for non-english and gender neutral names? So far it seems that Americans are over-represented in the open letter.
dudeinjapan 6y ago
This would make intuitive sense as there are two different crowds watching two movies here. The older, more male-skewed crowd is familiar with rms from his pioneering work in Free Software, and is willing to cut him leniency on past indiscretions, cringey jokes, and off-the-cuff political rants. The younger, more gender mixed crowd sees little to no value in the FS movement; GPL is a nuisance to the Silicon Valley companies at which they work, and they've all been raised on iPhones, etc. rms is yet another toxic male from the old guard; another loathsome dinosaur.
- joshuamorton 6y ago
  This would be a more compelling argument if many of the signatories of the anti-RMS letter weren't also former employees of the FSF.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
    This is not an argument at all. If you ask any former employee about his old boss, the opinion is more likely to be negative (or else he'd be a current employee). It is rather rare for people to part with the job amicably.
    - joshuamorton 6y ago
      If RMS as a boss consistently makes hundreds of people, who are otherwise interested in working at the FSF, unhappy enough to quit. That is absolutely an indictment of his abilities as a leader. Also, the fact that these people were ever employees of the FSF invalidates the claim that they're a group that "sees little to no value in the FS movement; GPL is a nuisance to the Silicon Valley companies at which they work", since they're FSF employees who don't work for Silicon Valley companies and presumably like the GPL, as they work at the FSF.
- wetmore 6y ago
  I don't think your description of the second group is very charitable.
cassianoleal 6y ago
What about the ratio on this one? https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web

guessbest 6y ago

What's the ratio of each? Is there a tracker?

search_social 6y ago
>What's the ratio of each? Is there a tracker? Yes. >Among the companies participating in this lucrative trade was Dehomag, IBM’s 90 percent–owned subsidiary. Shortly after Hitler came to power in 1933, Dehomag was asked to assist the German government in its task of ethnic identification, with particular reference to Jews and Gypsies. Watson thought it was such a stunning business opportunity that he went to Germany in October of that year and increased IBM’s investment in the German subsidiary by another million dollars, a hefty sum in those days. Thanks to the *Hollerith machine* the Nazis were able to increase their count of Germans with Jewish forebears from an estimated 400,000 to 600,000 to 2 million people. >Every time the Nazis invaded and took another country—Austria, Poland, Belgium, Denmark, Holland, France—the call would go out for the rental of *IBM machines* to identify Jews and Gypsies in the conquered countries. These also ended up as *tracking, counting, and recording machines* in the concentration camps. It was all very efficient and very rewarding for IBM’s bottom line. Edwin Black writes that Nazi Germany became the second most important customer for IBM after the United States. When his groundbreaking book, IBM and the Holocaust, was published in 2001, it was heralded as a major exposé of a little-known but central aspect of the German annihilation of Jews in the Holocaust. Newsweek called it “An explosive new book....Backed by exhaustive research, Black’s case is simple and stunning.” Annotation: History never repeats. But it rhymes.
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oscribinn 6y ago

Not sure where you're getting your numbers from, but I get the feeling they'd be different if you were only counting biological women as female.

search_social 6y ago
>Not sure where you're getting your numbers from, but I get the feeling they'd be different if you were only counting biological women as female. Leah is an outspoken defender of FSF. https://libreboot.org/news/rms.html#rms-is-not-transphobic https://libreboot.org/news/rms.html#rms-is-not-transphobic https://twitter.com/n4of7 https://twitter.com/n4of7
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- aleksejrs 6y ago
  Transpeople are probably still targeted by the propaganda more than biological women are.
  - aleksejrs 6y ago
    I mean those as two intersecting groups (lost the word when editing).

torthrowaway999 6y ago

Could you please publish your results? Exploring this would be interesting. Did you account for non-english and gender neutral names? So far it seems that Americans are over-represented in the open letter.

dudeinjapan 6y ago

This would make intuitive sense as there are two different crowds watching two movies here. The older, more male-skewed crowd is familiar with rms from his pioneering work in Free Software, and is willing to cut him leniency on past indiscretions, cringey jokes, and off-the-cuff political rants. The younger, more gender mixed crowd sees little to no value in the FS movement; GPL is a nuisance to the Silicon Valley companies at which they work, and they've all been raised on iPhones, etc. rms is yet another toxic male from the old guard; another loathsome dinosaur.

joshuamorton 6y ago
This would be a more compelling argument if many of the signatories of the anti-RMS letter weren't also former employees of the FSF.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
  This is not an argument at all. If you ask any former employee about his old boss, the opinion is more likely to be negative (or else he'd be a current employee). It is rather rare for people to part with the job amicably.
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    If RMS as a boss consistently makes hundreds of people, who are otherwise interested in working at the FSF, unhappy enough to quit. That is absolutely an indictment of his abilities as a leader. Also, the fact that these people were ever employees of the FSF invalidates the claim that they're a group that "sees little to no value in the FS movement; GPL is a nuisance to the Silicon Valley companies at which they work", since they're FSF employees who don't work for Silicon Valley companies and presumably like the GPL, as they work at the FSF.
wetmore 6y ago
I don't think your description of the second group is very charitable.

cassianoleal 6y ago

What about the ratio on this one? https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web