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Crime victims should honestly have zero input into the law. They're simply too emotionally invested to approach it rationally.

by LocalH 6y ago

mardifoufs 6y ago
I think he's saying that if you completely ignore the "natural" desire of some the victims for at least some punishment you will just end up with said victims taking justice into their own hands. So if you are so lenient to the point where a lot of victims & society in general start disregarding the justice system because they think its unjust, you could just end up with a lot of extra judicial revenge. In a way I kind of agree. Because while yes the victims shouldn't have a say in what sentence or punishment a perpetrator gets, taking it to the extreme and just completely disregarding the other party's grievances is probably dangerous and undermines the justice system. If you get a lot of people feeling that there is no justice to be had from the system, you end up with a super dangerous situation & I know how deeply that feeling can erode the social fabric since it happened in my home country.
- e_proxus 6y ago
  First of all, other systems in other societies point to that it is not the only possibility. Second, the laws and regulations transform how society views criminals. I think in more modern crime systems (I come from Sweden) criminals are often viewed as victims themselves and the main goal is rehabilitation (quite obvious since it will lead to the most reduction in crime over time).
- Trill-I-Am 6y ago
  Why do Americans believe vigilante justice is more inevitable than the citizens of other developed countries?
  - CleaveIt2Beaver 6y ago
    Because we know the absurd amount of guns that surrounds us at any given time, and are acutely aware of how flimsy hunting and personal protection are as excuses for the intent behind the ownership of small arsenals.
adolph 6y ago
Cant disagree! The knee-jerk reaction of “there aughtta be a law” to any wrong is part of the problem.

Crime victims should honestly have zero input into the law. They're simply too emotionally invested to approach it rationally.

by LocalH 6y ago

Crime victims should honestly have zero input into the law. They're simply too emotionally invested to approach it rationally.

mardifoufs 6y ago

I think he's saying that if you completely ignore the "natural" desire of some the victims for at least some punishment you will just end up with said victims taking justice into their own hands. So if you are so lenient to the point where a lot of victims & society in general start disregarding the justice system because they think its unjust, you could just end up with a lot of extra judicial revenge. In a way I kind of agree. Because while yes the victims shouldn't have a say in what sentence or punishment a perpetrator gets, taking it to the extreme and just completely disregarding the other party's grievances is probably dangerous and undermines the justice system. If you get a lot of people feeling that there is no justice to be had from the system, you end up with a super dangerous situation & I know how deeply that feeling can erode the social fabric since it happened in my home country.

e_proxus 6y ago
First of all, other systems in other societies point to that it is not the only possibility. Second, the laws and regulations transform how society views criminals. I think in more modern crime systems (I come from Sweden) criminals are often viewed as victims themselves and the main goal is rehabilitation (quite obvious since it will lead to the most reduction in crime over time).
Trill-I-Am 6y ago
Why do Americans believe vigilante justice is more inevitable than the citizens of other developed countries?
- CleaveIt2Beaver 6y ago
  Because we know the absurd amount of guns that surrounds us at any given time, and are acutely aware of how flimsy hunting and personal protection are as excuses for the intent behind the ownership of small arsenals.

adolph 6y ago

Cant disagree! The knee-jerk reaction of “there aughtta be a law” to any wrong is part of the problem.