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Take a look at the screenshot of that same sex marriage, do you notice something odd? The gender symbols at the bottom are male/female not male/male. The patch

by josefx 6y ago

Take a look at the screenshot of that same sex marriage, do you notice something odd? The gender symbols at the bottom are male/female not male/male. The patch only disables the gender check, it does not fix the game content or any other logic related to marriage. There are probably dozens of follow up bugs waiting, some of which will need new game logic and art to fix.

flatiron 6y ago
I just can’t fathom they couldn’t see this coming.
meibo 6y ago
That just means someone in charge made a bad choice during planning and either no dev or designer ever dared to speak up against it or many of them supported said bad choice.
- Causality1 6y ago
  Why is it a bad choice? A game set in middle age Europe has no more reason to foresee needing the ability to mod gay marriage into it than accommodating modding cell phones into it. It's not an insignificant amount for work just to include an anachronism.
  - meibo 6y ago
    Have you played this game and seen how much you can customize it? What's an anachronism in a sea of many others, if you wish to have them in your personal save games. And if you don't, you stick to whatever is historically accurate. Not having the foresight to be aware of this matter and the issues that come with it(going as far to be be especially exclusive) as a game studio in 2020 is what they should think about the next time they set out to make a game like this.
    - xanth 6y ago
      And the game engine is from 2007 which likely built in many of these historically accurate constraints to reduce scope. Remember until recently this much more core functionality was broken; "Fixed looting not making you hostile to looted country if you’re a vassal" https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Patch_1.3.X#1.3.1 https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Patch_1.3.X#1.3.1
      - meibo 6y ago
        Yes, it was started in 2007 - maybe some people here still live in the early 2000s, but that's 14 years and 2 big iterations ago. Check the calendar. Maybe games just shouldn't be rushed out this much either.
        xanth 6y ago
        As someone who's lost many nights to CK3, Elite Dangerous, and not Star Citizen I'm grateful they released a limited very enjoyable game that simulates the core elements of the concept, and I hope they enhance it with native support for Gay Marriage in the future.
    - Causality1 6y ago
      Given a preference I'd rather keep "but it's current year" out of the considerations of the devs of games I play. It's not a role playing game. It's not Tomodachi Life. They owe us nothing except what they advertise.
    - beaconstudios 6y ago
      it's 2021 actually.
  - Blikkentrekker 6y ago
    It seems odd to that when the scripting language allows such absurd customization to hardcode the sexes of marriage, to be fair. Apparently one can marry a piece of furniture with the scripting language, so long as the sex be appropriate.
- ponow 6y ago
  "Just" made a bad choice? It's clearly an historically accurate, and _simplifying_ assumption, which you dismiss. The fact that they include a scripting language needn't obligate them to broaden the scope of their project. It's theirs, and they needn't pretend to cater to anyone they don't wish to, especially if it isn't a priority. They can make whatever they want, as can you.
jandrese 6y ago
I have to wonder if one of the men will become pregnant and have a child once they are married.
- lostgame 6y ago
  You could use the excuse that they are transgender...but again, that probably only adds another layer of complication and abstraction, heh...
phire 6y ago
That is a good reason for why they haven't implemented the feature themselves. But it's not a good reason for why they are blocking all discussion about a mod that implements the feature in a buggy way.
- scott_w 6y ago
  Others have mentioned in the comments: the blocking is because they don’t want people poking round the binary. It’s likely because of the opportunity for creating and spreading malware via the forum.
tom_mellior 6y ago
> The gender symbols at the bottom are male/female not male/male. Do you mean the symbols next to "This is you"? I think you're misinterpreting them. That's the character's sexual orientation. It's always there, regardless of the character's marriage status. And gay or lesbian characters can and do marry people of the other sex even if that would not be what they want. The sexual orientation symbol doesn't change.
- josefx 6y ago
  I don't own the game so I was confused by having both the character and their spouse in the image. Sorry about that.

by josefx 6y ago

flatiron 6y ago

I just can’t fathom they couldn’t see this coming.

meibo 6y ago

That just means someone in charge made a bad choice during planning and either no dev or designer ever dared to speak up against it or many of them supported said bad choice.

Causality1 6y ago
Why is it a bad choice? A game set in middle age Europe has no more reason to foresee needing the ability to mod gay marriage into it than accommodating modding cell phones into it. It's not an insignificant amount for work just to include an anachronism.
- meibo 6y ago
  Have you played this game and seen how much you can customize it? What's an anachronism in a sea of many others, if you wish to have them in your personal save games. And if you don't, you stick to whatever is historically accurate. Not having the foresight to be aware of this matter and the issues that come with it(going as far to be be especially exclusive) as a game studio in 2020 is what they should think about the next time they set out to make a game like this.
  - xanth 6y ago
    And the game engine is from 2007 which likely built in many of these historically accurate constraints to reduce scope. Remember until recently this much more core functionality was broken; "Fixed looting not making you hostile to looted country if you’re a vassal" https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Patch_1.3.X#1.3.1 https://ck3.paradoxwikis.com/Patch_1.3.X#1.3.1
    - meibo 6y ago
      Yes, it was started in 2007 - maybe some people here still live in the early 2000s, but that's 14 years and 2 big iterations ago. Check the calendar. Maybe games just shouldn't be rushed out this much either.
      - xanth 6y ago
        As someone who's lost many nights to CK3, Elite Dangerous, and not Star Citizen I'm grateful they released a limited very enjoyable game that simulates the core elements of the concept, and I hope they enhance it with native support for Gay Marriage in the future.
  - Causality1 6y ago
    Given a preference I'd rather keep "but it's current year" out of the considerations of the devs of games I play. It's not a role playing game. It's not Tomodachi Life. They owe us nothing except what they advertise.
  - beaconstudios 6y ago
    it's 2021 actually.
- Blikkentrekker 6y ago
  It seems odd to that when the scripting language allows such absurd customization to hardcode the sexes of marriage, to be fair. Apparently one can marry a piece of furniture with the scripting language, so long as the sex be appropriate.
ponow 6y ago
"Just" made a bad choice? It's clearly an historically accurate, and _simplifying_ assumption, which you dismiss. The fact that they include a scripting language needn't obligate them to broaden the scope of their project. It's theirs, and they needn't pretend to cater to anyone they don't wish to, especially if it isn't a priority. They can make whatever they want, as can you.

jandrese 6y ago

I have to wonder if one of the men will become pregnant and have a child once they are married.

lostgame 6y ago
You could use the excuse that they are transgender...but again, that probably only adds another layer of complication and abstraction, heh...

phire 6y ago

That is a good reason for why they haven't implemented the feature themselves. But it's not a good reason for why they are blocking all discussion about a mod that implements the feature in a buggy way.

scott_w 6y ago
Others have mentioned in the comments: the blocking is because they don’t want people poking round the binary. It’s likely because of the opportunity for creating and spreading malware via the forum.

tom_mellior 6y ago

> The gender symbols at the bottom are male/female not male/male. Do you mean the symbols next to "This is you"? I think you're misinterpreting them. That's the character's sexual orientation. It's always there, regardless of the character's marriage status. And gay or lesbian characters can and do marry people of the other sex even if that would not be what they want. The sexual orientation symbol doesn't change.

josefx 6y ago
I don't own the game so I was confused by having both the character and their spouse in the image. Sorry about that.