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Facebook should email those affected... surely they know who was compromised or not. Shouldn't have to use random sites for this. Why has there been no communic

Facebook should email those affected... surely they know who was compromised or not. Shouldn't have to use random sites for this. Why has there been no communication from them?

type0 6y ago
> Why has there been no communication from them? It's not like they care even a bit. And they wouldn't win any goodwill from it. If you have been zucked, you've been zucked, that is it.
- barbacoa 6y ago
  Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask. Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb f**s.
  - echelon 6y ago
    Culture comes straight from the top. You can certainly tell that with Facebook and Zuckerberg. A good solution to this would be to put a hiring freeze on any ex-Facebooker and claim that if they can overlook Facebook's questionable practices, then they would be a danger for your company and its customers. Hold employees responsible for the actions of their employer. You could institute a "two year freeze" for any FB alum. A public statement by an ex-employee rebuking these practices would be enough to sidestep the hiring moratorium, but make them acknowledge how bad their employer is for privacy and democracy. Especially after what they did with the last US election cycle.
    - justapassenger 6y ago
      Wow, you spend really a lot of effort on virtue signaling. Should we also institute public lynching of all employees of companies that had security breaches?
      - echelon 6y ago
        > Should we also institute public lynching of all employees of companies that had security breaches? This isn't about a security breach. Facebook is a horrible company and has damaged the world with its unique stances on privacy and data gathering. > Wow, you spend really a lot of effort on virtue signaling. By what measure? I really don't want anyone who is willing to sacrifice their morals around personal privacy and the integrity of our democracy working for me. If and when I do get the opportunity to hire someone from Facebook to work for me, I will ask them why they worked at Facebook, what they think of the company's ethics, and if they did anything to make the company better for the world. Perhaps some folks check their ethics at the door when they show up for work, but ethics matter. They don't become unimportant or irrelevant choices in light of our paycheck. Choosing to work for Facebook says a lot about a person.
        challengly 6y ago
        Depends on when they joined Facebook. Early employees had no idea what it would become.
        echelon 6y ago
        Totally. I tried to phrase it as a "cool off" period since they were last employed by the company. If someone hasn't worked there in five years, they're not involved in the present day debacle and can't vote against company practices.
    - Lucasoato 6y ago
      I'm not saying that employees are always exempt from responsibility, but your brute-force approach is tyrannical, scary... Just imagine what all other employees would think if such an action would be possible, everyone would be afraid to do his job, everything would collapse. These are complex problems, there can't be an easy guillotine-like solution.
    - V-2 6y ago
      "public statement by an ex-employee rebuking these practices" This idea sounds uncannily familiar for anyone from the former Soviet bloc.
- wolfi1 6y ago
  the GDPR would reuire that from them but hen again..
- isoskeles 6y ago
  I agree they don't care about their users, but the reason there isn't a communication is more likely that they have to filter all of this through their legal team first.
skinnymuch 6y ago
The leak doesn’t provide much. The backlash of sending an email will instantly be way worse than what was actually leaked. Far worse leaks happen routinely from big names. However Facebook’s negative reputation would sway so far against it, you’d think Facebook had doxxed every one. I don’t particularly like Facebook or any big corporation FYI.
- tomxor 6y ago
  The backlash of GDPR for not informing users may be far more severe.
  - Syonyk 6y ago
    Sure, but if the cost of paying the fines for that is less than the expected loss of revenue from demonstrating, directly, that you can't keep user data safe (to a global audience, not just Europe), it's rational for Facebook to take the fines (of course, arguing via their lawyers as long as possible that they shouldn't be required to pay them - lawyer bills are harder to spin as an admission of guilt). I don't like it, but it makes some level of sense from their perspective. We tend, globally, to prefer "gentle swat on the back of the hand" level penalties for companies that have behaved terribly.
    - goatinaboat 6y ago
      Sure, but if the cost of paying the fines for that is less than the expected loss of revenue GDPR allows for fines of up to 4% of global revenue. Unfortunately the agencies that are supposed to enforce it are too feeble to do so.
- hnbad 6y ago
  I'm pretty sure the GDPR requires notifying affected users in addition to notifying data protection agencies. I haven't seen any public statement about the breach from Facebook, yet alone received any messages from them. Interestingly my phone number seems to have been exposed but not my e-mail address. I don't recall providing my phone number to Facebook although I do recall explicitly being asked to. I do however use WhatsApp. I wonder if there's more to this.

Facebook should email those affected... surely they know who was compromised or not. Shouldn't have to use random sites for this. Why has there been no communication from them?

type0 6y ago

> Why has there been no communication from them? It's not like they care even a bit. And they wouldn't win any goodwill from it. If you have been zucked, you've been zucked, that is it.

barbacoa 6y ago
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask. Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb f**s.
- echelon 6y ago
  Culture comes straight from the top. You can certainly tell that with Facebook and Zuckerberg. A good solution to this would be to put a hiring freeze on any ex-Facebooker and claim that if they can overlook Facebook's questionable practices, then they would be a danger for your company and its customers. Hold employees responsible for the actions of their employer. You could institute a "two year freeze" for any FB alum. A public statement by an ex-employee rebuking these practices would be enough to sidestep the hiring moratorium, but make them acknowledge how bad their employer is for privacy and democracy. Especially after what they did with the last US election cycle.
  - justapassenger 6y ago
    Wow, you spend really a lot of effort on virtue signaling. Should we also institute public lynching of all employees of companies that had security breaches?
    - echelon 6y ago
      > Should we also institute public lynching of all employees of companies that had security breaches? This isn't about a security breach. Facebook is a horrible company and has damaged the world with its unique stances on privacy and data gathering. > Wow, you spend really a lot of effort on virtue signaling. By what measure? I really don't want anyone who is willing to sacrifice their morals around personal privacy and the integrity of our democracy working for me. If and when I do get the opportunity to hire someone from Facebook to work for me, I will ask them why they worked at Facebook, what they think of the company's ethics, and if they did anything to make the company better for the world. Perhaps some folks check their ethics at the door when they show up for work, but ethics matter. They don't become unimportant or irrelevant choices in light of our paycheck. Choosing to work for Facebook says a lot about a person.
      - challengly 6y ago
        Depends on when they joined Facebook. Early employees had no idea what it would become.
        echelon 6y ago
        Totally. I tried to phrase it as a "cool off" period since they were last employed by the company. If someone hasn't worked there in five years, they're not involved in the present day debacle and can't vote against company practices.
  - Lucasoato 6y ago
    I'm not saying that employees are always exempt from responsibility, but your brute-force approach is tyrannical, scary... Just imagine what all other employees would think if such an action would be possible, everyone would be afraid to do his job, everything would collapse. These are complex problems, there can't be an easy guillotine-like solution.
  - V-2 6y ago
    "public statement by an ex-employee rebuking these practices" This idea sounds uncannily familiar for anyone from the former Soviet bloc.
wolfi1 6y ago
the GDPR would reuire that from them but hen again..
isoskeles 6y ago
I agree they don't care about their users, but the reason there isn't a communication is more likely that they have to filter all of this through their legal team first.

skinnymuch 6y ago

The leak doesn’t provide much. The backlash of sending an email will instantly be way worse than what was actually leaked. Far worse leaks happen routinely from big names. However Facebook’s negative reputation would sway so far against it, you’d think Facebook had doxxed every one. I don’t particularly like Facebook or any big corporation FYI.

tomxor 6y ago
The backlash of GDPR for not informing users may be far more severe.
- Syonyk 6y ago
  Sure, but if the cost of paying the fines for that is less than the expected loss of revenue from demonstrating, directly, that you can't keep user data safe (to a global audience, not just Europe), it's rational for Facebook to take the fines (of course, arguing via their lawyers as long as possible that they shouldn't be required to pay them - lawyer bills are harder to spin as an admission of guilt). I don't like it, but it makes some level of sense from their perspective. We tend, globally, to prefer "gentle swat on the back of the hand" level penalties for companies that have behaved terribly.
  - goatinaboat 6y ago
    Sure, but if the cost of paying the fines for that is less than the expected loss of revenue GDPR allows for fines of up to 4% of global revenue. Unfortunately the agencies that are supposed to enforce it are too feeble to do so.
hnbad 6y ago
I'm pretty sure the GDPR requires notifying affected users in addition to notifying data protection agencies. I haven't seen any public statement about the breach from Facebook, yet alone received any messages from them. Interestingly my phone number seems to have been exposed but not my e-mail address. I don't recall providing my phone number to Facebook although I do recall explicitly being asked to. I do however use WhatsApp. I wonder if there's more to this.