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On another hand, it provides a strong incentive for Clubhouse to ban such bad actors asap without even a second thought, because Cluhbhouse doesn't make a singl

On another hand, it provides a strong incentive for Clubhouse to ban such bad actors asap without even a second thought, because Cluhbhouse doesn't make a single dime off them due to not taking a cut from payments. No conflict of interest and no perverse incentives. Which is in stark contrast to some perverse incentives other popular platforms have, e.g., Twitter and FB being lenient on botting and fake profiles because it drives their usage metrics up (which is the main bread and butter of those two social networks).

tallgiraffe 6y ago
You can't really ban "them," because you cannot objectively and factually verify they are bad actors. Check out how many startup pitch groups there are on Clubhouse. Some of those folks are actual investors, and some are just social media publicity stunt gurus. But both can sound equally good. Snake oil salesmen are going make a killing on Clubhouse.
tmpz22 6y ago
Every content platform has a slew of top earners who are effectively bad actors. But they're profitable so they get to stay. Diet supplements, vitamins, and other garbage on Youtube. xQc on Twitch. Every. Single. One.
- ZephyrBlu 6y ago
  How is xQc a bad actor? He just memes with his chat.
  - tmpz22 6y ago
    Are you trolling? He's been banned over a dozen times from twitch, OWL, GTA5 RP, for a reason. His chat spills over to other streamers, harasses them on Twitter and Instagram, and spreads misogynistic (whore, slut, etc.), and homophobic, filth. The last incident? Yesterday [1]. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/search/?q=xqc&sort=top https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/search/?q=xqc&sort=t...
    - ZephyrBlu 6y ago
      xQc is just an edgy entertainer with a short fuse. I wouldn't class him as a bad actor because I don't think he intentionally tries to ruin things. Twitch chat is also a completely different beast that no one controls.
      - iaml 6y ago
        Not only is he not managing his fanbase, he is actively encouraging stream hopping. Moreover when he was banned from nopixel yesterday, server got ddosed into the ground afterwards ruining other people's streams.
- PeterisP 6y ago
  Well that's kind of the big difference - such a bad actor is profitable for Youtube or Twitch (since they earn from the "safe" money stream of ads and engagement and are not in the risky money stream of payments for the shady goods/services), but loss-making if you're a payment intermediary without any direct revenue from their fraudulent schemes like Clubhouse intends to be.

tallgiraffe 6y ago

You can't really ban "them," because you cannot objectively and factually verify they are bad actors. Check out how many startup pitch groups there are on Clubhouse. Some of those folks are actual investors, and some are just social media publicity stunt gurus. But both can sound equally good. Snake oil salesmen are going make a killing on Clubhouse.

tmpz22 6y ago

Every content platform has a slew of top earners who are effectively bad actors. But they're profitable so they get to stay. Diet supplements, vitamins, and other garbage on Youtube. xQc on Twitch. Every. Single. One.

ZephyrBlu 6y ago
How is xQc a bad actor? He just memes with his chat.
- tmpz22 6y ago
  Are you trolling? He's been banned over a dozen times from twitch, OWL, GTA5 RP, for a reason. His chat spills over to other streamers, harasses them on Twitter and Instagram, and spreads misogynistic (whore, slut, etc.), and homophobic, filth. The last incident? Yesterday [1]. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/search/?q=xqc&sort=top https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/search/?q=xqc&sort=t...
  - ZephyrBlu 6y ago
    xQc is just an edgy entertainer with a short fuse. I wouldn't class him as a bad actor because I don't think he intentionally tries to ruin things. Twitch chat is also a completely different beast that no one controls.
    - iaml 6y ago
      Not only is he not managing his fanbase, he is actively encouraging stream hopping. Moreover when he was banned from nopixel yesterday, server got ddosed into the ground afterwards ruining other people's streams.
PeterisP 6y ago
Well that's kind of the big difference - such a bad actor is profitable for Youtube or Twitch (since they earn from the "safe" money stream of ads and engagement and are not in the risky money stream of payments for the shady goods/services), but loss-making if you're a payment intermediary without any direct revenue from their fraudulent schemes like Clubhouse intends to be.