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Why do people think the promotion of diversity is part of some nefarious global plot?

DiggyJohnson 6y ago
I don’t think anyone is claiming that it is “part of some nefarious global plot” in the discrete, conspiratorial sense you are suggesting.
- knowaveragejoe 6y ago
  When modern Americans and Europeans rail against "diversity" as being the cause of their woes, it's almost certainly based on what boils down to some flavor of the "white genocide" conspiracy theory.
  - aqouta 6y ago
    When corporations push diversity as a terminal value it's almost always to suppress labor costs. It's very easy to win arguments if you just assume everyone who disagrees with you is a racist.
    - knowaveragejoe 6y ago
      Give an example? You yourself are putting forth what amounts to a conspiracy theory.
SonOfKyuss 6y ago
Because of the well funded propaganda networks in the US that push that notion.
- avs733 6y ago
  That people should be given equal opportunity and not just the opportunity they were born with because their parents where lynched for voting?
  - sjtindell 6y ago
    Poster meant propaganda networks that push the idea it is a plot.
lmm 6y ago
Because its most visible effect has been the suppression of the working class? Because its most prominent advocates are nefarious global plotters?
- cdata 6y ago
  [citation needed]
extradesgo 6y ago
r/stupidpol is worth a serious read.
thu2111 6y ago
They don't think it's an explicit plot, obviously. They think it's global because it mostly is (within the Anglosphere at least), and nefarious because its stated objectives do not align with the actions people in that 'movement' take. For instance, diversity programs are invariably justified by reference to needing a diversity of perspectives or ideas. But the resulting personnel policies are never about ideas, they're always about gender and skin colour. In fact the typical diversity program often results in hiring lots of ideologically homogenous people. That disparity between claimed goals and actual goals invariably makes it appear like there's some sort of hidden agenda at work.
mancerayder 6y ago
That's misinformed and presumptuous. Study the working class movements from the mid 19th century to the 1970s. Look at their coalitions and demands. Study the woke movement of the 2015-2021. One was pushing for collective unity and demanding concrete rights, including healthcare, working hour limits and unionization rights. The other wants to fire racists and change language. Which would you prefer if you were a corporate board member with the interests of your company at heart? Which is more of a threat, a movement that demands corporate tax pay for a single payer healthcare model, or a movement which demands we make it easier to fire people accused of racism?
- NoSorryCannot 6y ago
  This is an extremely reductive and uncharitable take on the conversations being had right now and calling it the "woke movement" shows you know what you're doing. "Concrete" things like healthcare reform, voting reform, policing reform, tax reform, immigration reform, and women's rights have been front and center. You'd have to be looking through a very distorted lens to not see it.
  - mancerayder 6y ago
    The topic at hand - the subject at the top - is unionization and Amazon. Your reply seems to forget this with a focus on me. And we're talking about how wokism (I know what I'm doing, what is that supposed to mean?) is embraced by corporations. Several commenters said that the woke stuff is compatible with capitalism, and I supported that view by contrasting the historical (anti-corporate) worker's movement with the current, very recent pro-corporate woke movement. The point is this - companies like Amazon want us to worry about race and gender quotas because that's an easier way to appear to be ethical than the other criticisms we can throw at them. I don't know why I am responding, but I'll continue with another one, Nike. Nike has for decades been the subject of human rights criticisms of their factories abroad. That's bad PR. So they went woke by taking public stands on racial stuff within the U.S. That's good PR. You can say I know what I'm doing (which is arguably a personal attack implying nefarious motives). But you don't seem to understand the point, not at all! Please, please do a little reading on the labor movement and don't put woke in scare quotes like it is not a thing. A local politician here has a pin, Stay Woke. It's a real term.
ArkanExplorer 6y ago
Dīvide et īmpera has been a strategy since the Roman Empire. https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule

I don’t think anyone is claiming that it is “part of some nefarious global plot” in the discrete, conspiratorial sense you are suggesting.

knowaveragejoe 6y ago
When modern Americans and Europeans rail against "diversity" as being the cause of their woes, it's almost certainly based on what boils down to some flavor of the "white genocide" conspiracy theory.
- aqouta 6y ago
  When corporations push diversity as a terminal value it's almost always to suppress labor costs. It's very easy to win arguments if you just assume everyone who disagrees with you is a racist.
  - knowaveragejoe 6y ago
    Give an example? You yourself are putting forth what amounts to a conspiracy theory.

SonOfKyuss 6y ago

Because of the well funded propaganda networks in the US that push that notion.

avs733 6y ago
That people should be given equal opportunity and not just the opportunity they were born with because their parents where lynched for voting?
- sjtindell 6y ago
  Poster meant propaganda networks that push the idea it is a plot.

lmm 6y ago

Because its most visible effect has been the suppression of the working class? Because its most prominent advocates are nefarious global plotters?

cdata 6y ago
[citation needed]

extradesgo 6y ago

r/stupidpol is worth a serious read.

thu2111 6y ago

They don't think it's an explicit plot, obviously. They think it's global because it mostly is (within the Anglosphere at least), and nefarious because its stated objectives do not align with the actions people in that 'movement' take. For instance, diversity programs are invariably justified by reference to needing a diversity of perspectives or ideas. But the resulting personnel policies are never about ideas, they're always about gender and skin colour. In fact the typical diversity program often results in hiring lots of ideologically homogenous people. That disparity between claimed goals and actual goals invariably makes it appear like there's some sort of hidden agenda at work.

mancerayder 6y ago

That's misinformed and presumptuous. Study the working class movements from the mid 19th century to the 1970s. Look at their coalitions and demands. Study the woke movement of the 2015-2021. One was pushing for collective unity and demanding concrete rights, including healthcare, working hour limits and unionization rights. The other wants to fire racists and change language. Which would you prefer if you were a corporate board member with the interests of your company at heart? Which is more of a threat, a movement that demands corporate tax pay for a single payer healthcare model, or a movement which demands we make it easier to fire people accused of racism?

NoSorryCannot 6y ago
This is an extremely reductive and uncharitable take on the conversations being had right now and calling it the "woke movement" shows you know what you're doing. "Concrete" things like healthcare reform, voting reform, policing reform, tax reform, immigration reform, and women's rights have been front and center. You'd have to be looking through a very distorted lens to not see it.
- mancerayder 6y ago
  The topic at hand - the subject at the top - is unionization and Amazon. Your reply seems to forget this with a focus on me. And we're talking about how wokism (I know what I'm doing, what is that supposed to mean?) is embraced by corporations. Several commenters said that the woke stuff is compatible with capitalism, and I supported that view by contrasting the historical (anti-corporate) worker's movement with the current, very recent pro-corporate woke movement. The point is this - companies like Amazon want us to worry about race and gender quotas because that's an easier way to appear to be ethical than the other criticisms we can throw at them. I don't know why I am responding, but I'll continue with another one, Nike. Nike has for decades been the subject of human rights criticisms of their factories abroad. That's bad PR. So they went woke by taking public stands on racial stuff within the U.S. That's good PR. You can say I know what I'm doing (which is arguably a personal attack implying nefarious motives). But you don't seem to understand the point, not at all! Please, please do a little reading on the labor movement and don't put woke in scare quotes like it is not a thing. A local politician here has a pin, Stay Woke. It's a real term.

ArkanExplorer 6y ago

Dīvide et īmpera has been a strategy since the Roman Empire. https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule