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I started playing Factorio and fell in love. Then I started to watch tutorials on how to make better iron smelters and the guy said he has 1000 hours of Factori

I started playing Factorio and fell in love. Then I started to watch tutorials on how to make better iron smelters and the guy said he has 1000 hours of Factorio gameplay. I quit Factorio right there. I decided to spend my time learning something IRL and started learning how to make DAPPs.

codezero 6y ago
It's funny because to a lot of people making DAPPs is as pointless as Factorio (though I think I may just be putting Ethereum poo-poo out there in general). That said, I've been feeling similarly - playing on Steam and seeing folks w/ massive play times thinking, I should go do something productive. Where did you start off for learning DAPPs? Do you have any goals in mind?
- fasteddie31003 6y ago
  This guy is pretty good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3681ZYbDSSk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3681ZYbDSSk . I'm just working on a test Ethereum lottery http://defi-raffle.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/ http://defi-raffle.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/ to understand the basic concepts.
  - codezero 6y ago
    Cool! Thanks for sharing this I’ll check it out :)
candiddevmike 6y ago
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not
gccs 6y ago
Its funny because 1000 hours isn't even that much in the video game world. I have over 10,000 hours in team fortress 2 from back when I was in high school.
- xdrosenheim 6y ago
  Playtime doesn't really tell the whole story anyways... I've got more than 1000 hours in Factorio, but _most_ of that time has been spend in the background while I did something else.
- pfundstein 6y ago
  TF2 is such a classic, and it shows in that it's still active 12 years after release. I've also accumulated >10k hours over the years leaving and returning, though I haven't played much since spy got nerfed.
herodoturtle 6y ago
> I decided to spend my time learning something IRL One could argue that spending 1,000 hours in Factorio building cool stuff is still doing something IRL. It's just a different kind of something IRL. To be clear, I am not assuming that you were making a value judgement about the Factorio player :-) But I feel the need to share this point of view nonetheless. The Buddhist monk finds enlightenment by simply being still. This is constructive living - in the sense that it is not destructive to nature / one's surroundings. Along similar lines, immersing one's self in Factorio is an actively entertaining form of being constructively still in the context of one's surroundings. So is reading. Listening to music. Etc. Not everybody needs to build stuff or achieve things IRL. And that's perfectly fine.
- fasteddie31003 6y ago
  "Not everybody needs to build stuff or achieve things IRL. And that's perfectly fine." Probably the answer to the Fermi Paradox.
  - thewakalix 6y ago
    I disagree. There's an asymmetry -- you only need one expansionist civilization to disturb the pristine universe that we observe, no matter how many civilizations are content with staying home and remaining quiet. (Relevant: the unilateralist's curse, https://nickbostrom.com/papers/unilateralist.pdf https://nickbostrom.com/papers/unilateralist.pdf.)
    - Scarblac 6y ago
      First, expansionism needs to be possible. Chemical rockets combined with large biological life forms seem to rule out interstellar colonization.
- comboy 6y ago
  The way I read stories, most Buddhist monk find enlightenment working their ass off so that they have something to eat. I feel your argument, ultimately there's entropy and I cannot provide any objective reason why exploring whole galaxy is better than being a bacteria. But.. you also perfectly know the other side of your argument even when assuming comfortable living where everything you need is provided to you. If you are considerate about the nature and your surroundings, why would you use that electricity and waste your time when on the long run some being will die because of it and resources that you use can be used to help other beings, in whichever order you prioritize their existence. The bud-hist monk is obsessively rearranging a small stream of water with some sticks until he thinks the flow is satisfying. Not sure why I'm a Zen fighter today, but hey, if you see a drowning kid in front of you IRL and you're on your phone, then it's just a different kind of IRL. What an awful example? I'm typing this bullshit exploring patterns within HN bubble where I could spend that time working and helping with that money some drowning child in another part of the planet. But I didn't mean to focus on philanthropy (which is one of available activities when you have your basic needs satisfied). Reading, listening, music, I think all our great experiences have something to do with other beings. Some form of communication and recognizing unity. So is exchanging info about the game with other players. That's comm unity, and that's great. We have these "make me satisfied" buttons more readily available, which should sort itself out on the long run, but I think sometimes they are being pressed thinking that it's an elevator button or something. Incidentally, the guy who created factorio is one of the most Buddhist-like guys I know (even when he's not meditating) and I played the game and loved it. I guess I just wanted to point out that I think you've used strawman to sell your philosophy, just like I did.
rubicon33 6y ago
Where do you find the inspiration and/or motivation to start learning something like DAPPs? I just don't see the point, probably because I lack creativity. But what benefit to learning DAPPs do you see?
b0afc375b5 6y ago
Yeah same. I think I would have been more addicted to factorio if I didn't watch tutorials. My desire to minmax games always lessens my desire to actually play the game.
reportgunner 6y ago
What DAPPs have you made since ?

codezero 6y ago

It's funny because to a lot of people making DAPPs is as pointless as Factorio (though I think I may just be putting Ethereum poo-poo out there in general). That said, I've been feeling similarly - playing on Steam and seeing folks w/ massive play times thinking, I should go do something productive. Where did you start off for learning DAPPs? Do you have any goals in mind?

fasteddie31003 6y ago
This guy is pretty good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3681ZYbDSSk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3681ZYbDSSk . I'm just working on a test Ethereum lottery http://defi-raffle.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/ http://defi-raffle.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/ to understand the basic concepts.
- codezero 6y ago
  Cool! Thanks for sharing this I’ll check it out :)

candiddevmike 6y ago

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not

gccs 6y ago

Its funny because 1000 hours isn't even that much in the video game world. I have over 10,000 hours in team fortress 2 from back when I was in high school.

xdrosenheim 6y ago
Playtime doesn't really tell the whole story anyways... I've got more than 1000 hours in Factorio, but _most_ of that time has been spend in the background while I did something else.
pfundstein 6y ago
TF2 is such a classic, and it shows in that it's still active 12 years after release. I've also accumulated >10k hours over the years leaving and returning, though I haven't played much since spy got nerfed.

herodoturtle 6y ago

> I decided to spend my time learning something IRL One could argue that spending 1,000 hours in Factorio building cool stuff is still doing something IRL. It's just a different kind of something IRL. To be clear, I am not assuming that you were making a value judgement about the Factorio player :-) But I feel the need to share this point of view nonetheless. The Buddhist monk finds enlightenment by simply being still. This is constructive living - in the sense that it is not destructive to nature / one's surroundings. Along similar lines, immersing one's self in Factorio is an actively entertaining form of being constructively still in the context of one's surroundings. So is reading. Listening to music. Etc. Not everybody needs to build stuff or achieve things IRL. And that's perfectly fine.

fasteddie31003 6y ago
"Not everybody needs to build stuff or achieve things IRL. And that's perfectly fine." Probably the answer to the Fermi Paradox.
- thewakalix 6y ago
  I disagree. There's an asymmetry -- you only need one expansionist civilization to disturb the pristine universe that we observe, no matter how many civilizations are content with staying home and remaining quiet. (Relevant: the unilateralist's curse, https://nickbostrom.com/papers/unilateralist.pdf https://nickbostrom.com/papers/unilateralist.pdf.)
  - Scarblac 6y ago
    First, expansionism needs to be possible. Chemical rockets combined with large biological life forms seem to rule out interstellar colonization.
comboy 6y ago
The way I read stories, most Buddhist monk find enlightenment working their ass off so that they have something to eat. I feel your argument, ultimately there's entropy and I cannot provide any objective reason why exploring whole galaxy is better than being a bacteria. But.. you also perfectly know the other side of your argument even when assuming comfortable living where everything you need is provided to you. If you are considerate about the nature and your surroundings, why would you use that electricity and waste your time when on the long run some being will die because of it and resources that you use can be used to help other beings, in whichever order you prioritize their existence. The bud-hist monk is obsessively rearranging a small stream of water with some sticks until he thinks the flow is satisfying. Not sure why I'm a Zen fighter today, but hey, if you see a drowning kid in front of you IRL and you're on your phone, then it's just a different kind of IRL. What an awful example? I'm typing this bullshit exploring patterns within HN bubble where I could spend that time working and helping with that money some drowning child in another part of the planet. But I didn't mean to focus on philanthropy (which is one of available activities when you have your basic needs satisfied). Reading, listening, music, I think all our great experiences have something to do with other beings. Some form of communication and recognizing unity. So is exchanging info about the game with other players. That's comm unity, and that's great. We have these "make me satisfied" buttons more readily available, which should sort itself out on the long run, but I think sometimes they are being pressed thinking that it's an elevator button or something. Incidentally, the guy who created factorio is one of the most Buddhist-like guys I know (even when he's not meditating) and I played the game and loved it. I guess I just wanted to point out that I think you've used strawman to sell your philosophy, just like I did.

rubicon33 6y ago

Where do you find the inspiration and/or motivation to start learning something like DAPPs? I just don't see the point, probably because I lack creativity. But what benefit to learning DAPPs do you see?

b0afc375b5 6y ago

Yeah same. I think I would have been more addicted to factorio if I didn't watch tutorials. My desire to minmax games always lessens my desire to actually play the game.

reportgunner 6y ago

What DAPPs have you made since ?