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> Wayne Sutton confuses lack of interest in conducting srs bzns as racial prejudice/racism I don't think he's implying that at all. At the end, Sutton just not

by vineel 15y ago

> Wayne Sutton confuses lack of interest in conducting srs bzns as racial prejudice/racism I don't think he's implying that at all. At the end, Sutton just notes that there were few minorities. He never explicitly makes the connection that the kids were actively discriminated against because of their race.

kabushikigaisha 15y ago
There are few minorities at pretty much every startup event, if you discount east Asians that is.
- makmanalp 15y ago
  That's not very surprising since they are "minorities", implying that there aren't as many of them.
  - dools 15y ago
    Minority in the sociological sense doesn't necessarily refer to numbers, but voting majority. ie. blacks in South Africa during apartheid outnumbered whites but were a sociological minority.
    - ars 15y ago
      That's really stretching the meaning of the word.
waynesutton 15y ago
Correct! That's not the point I was making.
- kabushikigaisha 15y ago
  Apologies, I inferred that since this piece was written on blackweb20.com , you were saying the reason the two youngsters weren't getting attention was due to their racial background instead of age.
  - walexander 15y ago
    I think the headline does lead you to that conclusion, even if not explicitly stated or even the author's intention: "Two 11-year-old entrepreneurs learned the hard way what it’s like to be a minority in tech during Startup Weekend" Being on blackweb20.com, I would assume "minority" is referring to race here. Wayne, you may want to update the title here if you want to avoid some confusion. (Wayne: By the way, I'm in RTP and just noticed your trioutnc site from your profile - looks like a nice tool so far, i'll be trying it).
  - waynesutton 15y ago
    No worries and thanks. Yes TriOutNC.com and we're working on launch a few new TriOut apps.
- dools 15y ago
  Then why is the headline "Two 11-year-old entrepreneurs learned the hard way what it’s like to be a minority in tech during Startup Weekend"? Is minority here referring to being outliers in the age distribution or "a sociological group that does not make up a politically dominant voting majority of the total population of a given society"[1]? If it's the former then you should say "in the minority" or something. If it's the latter, and you're not making this an issue of racial discrimination then you need to change the headline to something like "Two 11-year-old entrepreneurs learned the hard way what it’s like to be rejected during Startup Weekend". [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_group
  - waynesutton 15y ago
    yes, I state that in the post about ALL the factors for the 11yrs old as "minority" in terms of their age, gender for the little girl and race.
    - dools 15y ago
      The original comment you replied to said you were (subtext: intentionally in order to create more traffic for your article) confusing racial prejudice with age/quality of idea. You said that wasn't the point you were making: ie. that the point you were making was not that "being a minority" (read: ethnic minority - being young does not constitute being a minority since everyone is young at some point in their lives but not everyone is black, for example) influence the outcome for these two. Now you're saying that you were making that point - but that you're saying that they were both a minority, and "minors" in that they were so young. I think you were quite clearly link baiting here using the race card even if you're not admitting it - however the story clearly shows that these two couldn't get serious hackers to work on their ideas because they're 11 years old. I seriously doubt that their ethnic or gender minority status had anything to do with their outcomes at this event. Also you've described Marci as a woman. She's 11. She's not a woman, she's a girl. You couldn't even describe her as a young woman - she's most definitely a girl. Comparing age based prejudice to race or gender based prejudice is erroneous anyway. Discrimination based on age (in the case of exclusion of young people from certain activities) is entirely appropriate. Discrimination and exclusion based no race is never appropriate and gender based exclusion is rarely appropriate (I say rarely since exclusion of women from competing against men in, say, professional rugby is a safety issue). We were all young once, but I've never been black and I've never been female (although I could approximate the latter through surgery if I was keen). edit: removed "as stated above"

by vineel 15y ago

kabushikigaisha 15y ago

There are few minorities at pretty much every startup event, if you discount east Asians that is.

makmanalp 15y ago
That's not very surprising since they are "minorities", implying that there aren't as many of them.
- dools 15y ago
  Minority in the sociological sense doesn't necessarily refer to numbers, but voting majority. ie. blacks in South Africa during apartheid outnumbered whites but were a sociological minority.
  - ars 15y ago
    That's really stretching the meaning of the word.

waynesutton 15y ago

Correct! That's not the point I was making.

kabushikigaisha 15y ago
Apologies, I inferred that since this piece was written on blackweb20.com , you were saying the reason the two youngsters weren't getting attention was due to their racial background instead of age.
- walexander 15y ago
  I think the headline does lead you to that conclusion, even if not explicitly stated or even the author's intention: "Two 11-year-old entrepreneurs learned the hard way what it’s like to be a minority in tech during Startup Weekend" Being on blackweb20.com, I would assume "minority" is referring to race here. Wayne, you may want to update the title here if you want to avoid some confusion. (Wayne: By the way, I'm in RTP and just noticed your trioutnc site from your profile - looks like a nice tool so far, i'll be trying it).
- waynesutton 15y ago
  No worries and thanks. Yes TriOutNC.com and we're working on launch a few new TriOut apps.
dools 15y ago
Then why is the headline "Two 11-year-old entrepreneurs learned the hard way what it’s like to be a minority in tech during Startup Weekend"? Is minority here referring to being outliers in the age distribution or "a sociological group that does not make up a politically dominant voting majority of the total population of a given society"[1]? If it's the former then you should say "in the minority" or something. If it's the latter, and you're not making this an issue of racial discrimination then you need to change the headline to something like "Two 11-year-old entrepreneurs learned the hard way what it’s like to be rejected during Startup Weekend". [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_group http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_group
- waynesutton 15y ago
  yes, I state that in the post about ALL the factors for the 11yrs old as "minority" in terms of their age, gender for the little girl and race.
  - dools 15y ago
    The original comment you replied to said you were (subtext: intentionally in order to create more traffic for your article) confusing racial prejudice with age/quality of idea. You said that wasn't the point you were making: ie. that the point you were making was not that "being a minority" (read: ethnic minority - being young does not constitute being a minority since everyone is young at some point in their lives but not everyone is black, for example) influence the outcome for these two. Now you're saying that you were making that point - but that you're saying that they were both a minority, and "minors" in that they were so young. I think you were quite clearly link baiting here using the race card even if you're not admitting it - however the story clearly shows that these two couldn't get serious hackers to work on their ideas because they're 11 years old. I seriously doubt that their ethnic or gender minority status had anything to do with their outcomes at this event. Also you've described Marci as a woman. She's 11. She's not a woman, she's a girl. You couldn't even describe her as a young woman - she's most definitely a girl. Comparing age based prejudice to race or gender based prejudice is erroneous anyway. Discrimination based on age (in the case of exclusion of young people from certain activities) is entirely appropriate. Discrimination and exclusion based no race is never appropriate and gender based exclusion is rarely appropriate (I say rarely since exclusion of women from competing against men in, say, professional rugby is a safety issue). We were all young once, but I've never been black and I've never been female (although I could approximate the latter through surgery if I was keen). edit: removed "as stated above"