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Let’s talk about this “demonstrated ability to steer public opinion and unilaterally steer elections”. I believe you have fallen into an intentional conflation
by jonathankoren 6y ago
Let’s talk about this “demonstrated ability to steer public opinion and unilaterally steer elections”. I believe you have fallen into an intentional conflation of ideas here. Social media as private platform with terms of use that other people promote on, versus the social media company acting with their own political agenda. Those thongs are not the same.
We’ve seen many disinformation campaigns proliferate on FB, Reddit, 4chan, Twitter, et al, but with the notable exception of 4chan, these campaigns are promoted the company’s executives, but rather amplified through algorithms developed to promote time on site. Zuck only cares about money. He doesn’t care if it’s coming from cooking tips, flat earth memes, or a 6 hour expose videos about how satanic pedophile aliens are eating children in the basement of the Alamo. It is the users posting the misinformation that are attempting to manipulate elections by utilizing a third party’s engagement promoting algorithms and platform. This distinction is very important, but gets intentionally muddied. FB isn’t manipulating the election, as much as Simone trying to manipulate an election are being stymied.
Furthermore, when we actually examine the claims of “censorship” they end up falling apart pretty quickly. It will be a clear cut TOS violation, by a person that unfailingly has had a long history of getting passes for TOS violations. Which makes me wonder, why were they getting so many extra chances. (Case in point: Alex Jones and YouTube.)
You also have the same people screaming about how they’re being censored, regularly appearing as the most shared pages on FB.[0] When you dig into even more, there’s nothing there.[1]
So what is going on here? It’s a replay of the 70s and 80s. Newspapers are dead, and so the “liberal media elite” canard (and we know it is a canard, because Bill Kristol and Rich Bond have admitted it.[3]) needs a new target. And just like then, if it doesn’t have a particular political bent, its “unfair”. And you know what? The whining is working again.[2]
0: https://mobile.twitter.com/facebookstop10 https://mobile.twitter.com/facebookstop10
1: https://www.npr.org/2020/10/05/918520692/facebook-keeps-data-secret-letting-conservative-bias-claims-persist https://www.npr.org/2020/10/05/918520692/facebook-keeps-data...
2: https://mashable.com/article/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-conservative-pages/ https://mashable.com/article/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-conser...
3: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/general/news/2005/05/26/1476/think-again-working-the-refs/ https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/general/news/2005/05...
- jfengel 6y agoWhat exactly did Kristol say? They article says he "is on record as saying that the 'liberal media' canard is often used by conservatives as an excuse to cover up for conservative failures", but doesn't include a quote or citation. (Putting "liberal media" in quotes doesn't count as a citation, since he uses the term all the time.) I have zero doubt that this is a behavior they've used, but it's a little weak to say that he's "on record" without pointing to the record.
- jonathankoren 6y agoI’ll give you three direct quotes and a link to all three. Bill Kristol: "I admit it. The liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures." Rich Bond, chair of the Republican Party in 1992, during the 1992 presidential election: "There is some strategy to it [bashing the 'liberal' media]. If you watch any great coach, what they try to do is 'work the refs.' Maybe the ref will cut you a little slack on the next one." Pat Buchanan during his 1996 presidential campaign: "I've gotten balanced coverage, and broad coverage-all we could have asked. For heaven sakes, we kid about the 'liberal media,' but every Republican on earth does that." https://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/16/books/chapters/what-liberal-media.html https://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/16/books/chapters/what-liber...