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Principle is not at all “in effect deductible” in the slightest. If you spent money on expenses that is deductible whether you borrowed that money or not and ha

Principle is not at all “in effect deductible” in the slightest. If you spent money on expenses that is deductible whether you borrowed that money or not and has absolutely nothing to do with principal. On the second point accelerated depreciation is NOT a subsidy in the slightest either and not at all related to government debt. Depreciation is already a delayed acknowledgment of expenses. Without depreciation someone would deduct the entire amount of a cost immediately and pay much lower taxes. Accelerated depreciation costs taxpayers nothing. The government is not funding anything, the government is collecting less tax up front but more over time. Whether the government has liabilities is irrelevant. I don’t understand the point you are making on communism or how that relates at all unless you assume all tax collected is communist.

Retric 6y ago
> Depreciation is already a delayed acknowledgment of expenses. Without depreciation someone would deduct the entire amount of a cost immediately and pay much lower taxes. No, if a company buys say land they can’t deduct anything because land retains value until the point of sale. The same is true buying stock or other items that maintain value over time. The general rule is something is a deductible expense at the point of destruction or sale not purchase. Depreciation is therefore an acceleration of that process. Companies for example used printing presses for a hundred years meanwhile during much of that time the actual value increased above it’s purchase price due to inflation. It’s surprisingly common for companies to sell something for a profit that they have already fully deprecated. > I don’t understand the point you are making on communism All specific tax exemptions for business are communist in nature because they replace market forces with government choices. It’s very obvious in the case of farm subsidies for example, but it’s a generalizable rule that government subsidies reduce market efficiency by incentivizing inefficiency.
- smaryjerry 6y ago
  Your comment again makes no sense. Land is NOT depreciable and neither is stock. Depreciation is not an exemption of taxes. You must realize that selling something that has been depreciated results in you selling it for a profit and thus is taxable. Depreciation reduces the cost basis. I’m not sure if at this point you are trolling by your comments always saying the opposite of the actual tax laws.
  - Retric 6y ago
    I never said land deprecated try reading my comment again: “if a company buys say land they can’t deduct anything” that’s an example of default behavior. Try rereading what I actually said where again you can deduct the purchase price at the time of sale not purchase. As to depreciation being an exception that’s what it means when you change the baseline rules of a system with new rules. By default you take the deduction on sale, depreciation means you can take deduction early. It’s literally called “Modified Accelerated Cost Recovery System (MACRS)” the entire point of it is to speed things up rather than as you suggest slow anything down. Thus removing depreciation from the tax code and companies would need to wait years or even decades or deduct these costs from their profits. Thus as I said before it’s a hand out which happens to be built into the tax code.
    - smaryjerry 6y ago
      It’s not a hand out whatsoever. Firstly you are making an assumption that everything that is depreciated can be sold when the majority of depreciated items are not sold, ever. They get used up over time, kind of like... depreciation. That is why that capitalized items are capitalized, not land, which again _does not get depreciated_ so I don’t know why you would use that as your comparison for normal deduction. You are looking at this absolutely backwards. Let’s say depreciation was eliminated completely in your perfect world, because you say it’s a hand out right? Now you buy something for $100,000, say construction of a building, that building falls apart and breaks down after 39 years, it was not sold. Now you have nothing to sell and never got any deduction. Now who wants to spend their money on something that is never recognized as a cost? Depreciation is there to normalize the recognition of that building falling apart. Of course all types of items depreciate at different time periods which are all defined by law. Unless you are in favor of there being no deductions for taxes of all costs, meaning you tax gross revenue, there is no reason not to depreciate. Accelerated depreciation means you pay less tax and have more money at the start of a project when it is needed and pay more to the government later when it has stabilized. Again depreciation reduces cost basis, so even if you sold it, you pay additional taxes on that when you sell it, offsetting the benefit of your depreciation. Now where is the hand out in that?

Retric 6y ago

> Depreciation is already a delayed acknowledgment of expenses. Without depreciation someone would deduct the entire amount of a cost immediately and pay much lower taxes. No, if a company buys say land they can’t deduct anything because land retains value until the point of sale. The same is true buying stock or other items that maintain value over time. The general rule is something is a deductible expense at the point of destruction or sale not purchase. Depreciation is therefore an acceleration of that process. Companies for example used printing presses for a hundred years meanwhile during much of that time the actual value increased above it’s purchase price due to inflation. It’s surprisingly common for companies to sell something for a profit that they have already fully deprecated. > I don’t understand the point you are making on communism All specific tax exemptions for business are communist in nature because they replace market forces with government choices. It’s very obvious in the case of farm subsidies for example, but it’s a generalizable rule that government subsidies reduce market efficiency by incentivizing inefficiency.

smaryjerry 6y ago
Your comment again makes no sense. Land is NOT depreciable and neither is stock. Depreciation is not an exemption of taxes. You must realize that selling something that has been depreciated results in you selling it for a profit and thus is taxable. Depreciation reduces the cost basis. I’m not sure if at this point you are trolling by your comments always saying the opposite of the actual tax laws.
- Retric 6y ago
  I never said land deprecated try reading my comment again: “if a company buys say land they can’t deduct anything” that’s an example of default behavior. Try rereading what I actually said where again you can deduct the purchase price at the time of sale not purchase. As to depreciation being an exception that’s what it means when you change the baseline rules of a system with new rules. By default you take the deduction on sale, depreciation means you can take deduction early. It’s literally called “Modified Accelerated Cost Recovery System (MACRS)” the entire point of it is to speed things up rather than as you suggest slow anything down. Thus removing depreciation from the tax code and companies would need to wait years or even decades or deduct these costs from their profits. Thus as I said before it’s a hand out which happens to be built into the tax code.
  - smaryjerry 6y ago
    It’s not a hand out whatsoever. Firstly you are making an assumption that everything that is depreciated can be sold when the majority of depreciated items are not sold, ever. They get used up over time, kind of like... depreciation. That is why that capitalized items are capitalized, not land, which again _does not get depreciated_ so I don’t know why you would use that as your comparison for normal deduction. You are looking at this absolutely backwards. Let’s say depreciation was eliminated completely in your perfect world, because you say it’s a hand out right? Now you buy something for $100,000, say construction of a building, that building falls apart and breaks down after 39 years, it was not sold. Now you have nothing to sell and never got any deduction. Now who wants to spend their money on something that is never recognized as a cost? Depreciation is there to normalize the recognition of that building falling apart. Of course all types of items depreciate at different time periods which are all defined by law. Unless you are in favor of there being no deductions for taxes of all costs, meaning you tax gross revenue, there is no reason not to depreciate. Accelerated depreciation means you pay less tax and have more money at the start of a project when it is needed and pay more to the government later when it has stabilized. Again depreciation reduces cost basis, so even if you sold it, you pay additional taxes on that when you sell it, offsetting the benefit of your depreciation. Now where is the hand out in that?