This sounds like you read Jonathan Schwartz's testimony and almost misinterpreted it. The license included using Java's name and trademark and that was for Sun

This sounds like you read Jonathan Schwartz's testimony and almost misinterpreted it. The license included using Java's name and trademark and that was for Sun's benefit, not Google. Google wasn't asking to call it a Java phone. That's why part of the testimony is actually Sun saying they'd pay for that And the rest of your comment is completely missing the mark here. You're saying MS was in the wrong with J++ because they licensed Java. I'm saying MS was in the wrong because saying you're using language X then randomly not supporting parts of that language is a shitty thing to do when you have a large presence because then you start to fragment the language's user base. Copyright be damned. (Which is exactly why I said I wish they could have taken a different angle) - Logo or no logo, for years Google said you program Android in Java. Their "Java" did not track the language everyone else knows, using a strange smattering of features from 6 and 7 in this weird hybrid that hobbled along. As a result there was plenty of confusion among developers about what worked on Android. As someone who has mostly held day jobs that involved Android for a decade or so now, I can confidently say it was problematic and Android dragging its feet while being such a large platform caused people to avoid using language features. When Lambdas first landed for example, I remember multiple projects refusing to use them since there was no official way to support them on Android (retrolambda which was written by a former coworker of mine addressed this) This is so simple, Android should have licensed Java, created a compatible implementation, and kept it up to date. Would it have been hard? Yes. Would it have been better for Android developers who ended up using wonky work arounds, people learning Java and dealing with two sets of rules, and the Java ecosystem as a whole? Also yes.