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Marx was right about how we metabolize forms our conscious reflexes. Someone raised working class will have working class perceptions, eg goals, which are diffe

Marx was right about how we metabolize forms our conscious reflexes. Someone raised working class will have working class perceptions, eg goals, which are different than someone born with more calorie affordances. But he denied that humans are spiritual creatures. So it is an absurdity to believe that religious activity - which, say, requires “material patronage” including transportation costs, apparel, etc. - only serves a metabolic function in relation to the activity involved; be it a house of worship celebration or other spiritual activities such as the performing arts. Everything can be considered from a “materialist” consumption standpoint - and following his logic, your spiritual life is a form of domination by those who can consume more than you. Doing something for the love of it, say raising a family, is dismissed in his doctrine which is utterly hell-bent. Or what Arthur Schopenhauer opined: “ To say that the world has only a physical and not a moral significance is the greatest and most pernicious of all errors, the fundamental blunder, the real perversity of mind and temper; and, at bottom, it is doubtless the tendency which faith personifies as Anti-Christ.” -On Human Nature (https://www.tititudorancea.com/z/arthur_schopenhauer_on_human_nature.htm https://www.tititudorancea.com/z/arthur_schopenhauer_on_huma...)

xtian 6y ago
Where did Marx deny spirituality?
- achillesheels 6y ago
  "...With me, on the contrary, the ideal is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind and translated into forms of thought."" -Marx, Afterword to the Second German Edition of Volume I of Capital. "The question of the relation of thinking to being, the relation of spirit to nature is the paramount question of the whole of philosophy.... The answers which the philosophers gave to this question split them into two great camps. Those who asserted the primacy of spirit to nature ... comprised the camp of idealism. The others, who regarded nature as primary, belong to the various schools of materialism." (Marx, Selected Works, Vol. I, p. 329.)" -https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm#:~:text=Historical%20materialism%20is%20the%20extension,society%20and%20of%20its%20history https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938....
  - xtian 6y ago
    Materialism within Marxism is more similar to the unitive worldview of eastern philosophy than the dead mechanistic sense we associate with the term. It doesn’t deny spirituality. It just asserts that human meaning and spirit exist within an undivided whole.
    - achillesheels 6y ago
      "Contrary to idealism, which regards the world as the embodiment of an "absolute idea," a "universal spirit," "consciousness," Marx's philosophical materialism holds that the world is by its very nature material, that the multifold phenomena of the world constitute different forms of matter in motion, that interconnection and interdependence of phenomena as established by the dialectical method, are a law of the development of moving matter, and that the world develops in accordance with the laws of movement of matter and stands in no need of a "universal spirit."" ibid I am quoting directly from the same source and I have firm understanding of the Master-Slave dialectic and draw a very clear connection to Marx's Superstructure. Are you familiar with Locke or Berkeley? Marxism, quoting verbatim from the Marxist Archive - and from Marx himself - is in direct opposition to an immaterial world which humans occupy. Spirit, by categorical definition in the Western Philosophical Tradition, exists beyond matter. To Marx, man is enslaved to his material conditions which obligates revolution.
      - xtian 6y ago
        I’m not interested in the categorical definition of spirituality in the Western philosophical tradition. I don’t think Western definitions have anything to do with the spirituality humans have participated in for tens of thousands of years. That spirituality is about an unfolding and reintegration of personal, social, and natural meaning and mystery, not metaphysical assertions.
        achillesheels 6y ago
        You asked me where Marxism denies spirituality and I quoted sources verbatim. There’s not much more I can do for you.

xtian 6y ago

Where did Marx deny spirituality?

achillesheels 6y ago
"...With me, on the contrary, the ideal is nothing else than the material world reflected by the human mind and translated into forms of thought."" -Marx, Afterword to the Second German Edition of Volume I of Capital. "The question of the relation of thinking to being, the relation of spirit to nature is the paramount question of the whole of philosophy.... The answers which the philosophers gave to this question split them into two great camps. Those who asserted the primacy of spirit to nature ... comprised the camp of idealism. The others, who regarded nature as primary, belong to the various schools of materialism." (Marx, Selected Works, Vol. I, p. 329.)" -https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938/09.htm#:~:text=Historical%20materialism%20is%20the%20extension,society%20and%20of%20its%20history https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1938....
- xtian 6y ago
  Materialism within Marxism is more similar to the unitive worldview of eastern philosophy than the dead mechanistic sense we associate with the term. It doesn’t deny spirituality. It just asserts that human meaning and spirit exist within an undivided whole.
  - achillesheels 6y ago
    "Contrary to idealism, which regards the world as the embodiment of an "absolute idea," a "universal spirit," "consciousness," Marx's philosophical materialism holds that the world is by its very nature material, that the multifold phenomena of the world constitute different forms of matter in motion, that interconnection and interdependence of phenomena as established by the dialectical method, are a law of the development of moving matter, and that the world develops in accordance with the laws of movement of matter and stands in no need of a "universal spirit."" ibid I am quoting directly from the same source and I have firm understanding of the Master-Slave dialectic and draw a very clear connection to Marx's Superstructure. Are you familiar with Locke or Berkeley? Marxism, quoting verbatim from the Marxist Archive - and from Marx himself - is in direct opposition to an immaterial world which humans occupy. Spirit, by categorical definition in the Western Philosophical Tradition, exists beyond matter. To Marx, man is enslaved to his material conditions which obligates revolution.
    - xtian 6y ago
      I’m not interested in the categorical definition of spirituality in the Western philosophical tradition. I don’t think Western definitions have anything to do with the spirituality humans have participated in for tens of thousands of years. That spirituality is about an unfolding and reintegration of personal, social, and natural meaning and mystery, not metaphysical assertions.
      - achillesheels 6y ago
        You asked me where Marxism denies spirituality and I quoted sources verbatim. There’s not much more I can do for you.