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Yep. This case was an existential threat to multitudes of industries and the assumptions they were built on. The weird thing is it would of hurt Oracle as much

by mrkstu 6y ago

Yep. This case was an existential threat to multitudes of industries and the assumptions they were built on. The weird thing is it would of hurt Oracle as much as anyone. I have no clue how anyone w/any technical merit didn't understand that this was a footgun of the largest possible magnitude for them.

gjsman-1000 6y ago
In my own mind, when CentOS died Oracle was saying you should move to "Oracle Unbreakable Linux"... which is a downstream clone of RHEL, just like CentOS was. Just one example of the hypocrisy.
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- bryanlarsen 6y ago
  Even more egregiously, Oracle's whole existence is based off of copying the SQL API from IBM.
- throwaway8581 6y ago
  It is uncontested that Oracle cloning RHEL is allowed by the license that RHEL is released under. They don't need a fair use ruling from the Supreme Court because they literally have a license that allows exactly what they did. The same could not be said for Google's actions in this case.
thedevelopnik 6y ago
I had the opportunity once to talk to an IP lawyer for Oracle and brought this up. I specifically brought up the S3 compatibility of their cloud storage among other instances. His reply was “without admitting anything specific, how do you know we haven’t purchased private licenses for anything you just mentioned?”
- throwaway3699 6y ago
  It's still silly. Imagine if you needed to purchase a license for the shape of plug that fits inside a standard plug socket - to build any appliance.
  - bobmalone123 6y ago
    Imagine if you had to pay a software developer 300K a year to design that API that you think it’s cool to steal.
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    - throwaway3699 6y ago
      Someone had to design plug sockets too.
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  - thedevelopnik 6y ago
    Oh yeah he and I still fundamentally disagreed, but it gave me some insight into Oracle’s position.
  - rodgerd 6y ago
    Plenty of good, cheap DACs built in China (e.g. Topping) have an HDMI-shaped plug (IIS) that supports PCM-over-not-HDMI which happens to be compatible with HDMI sources, but don't dare mention HDMI because they don't want to pull in an interlocking, price-gouging nonsense from the US entertainment industry. So you don't quite need a license for the shape of the plug, but you do need to pretend it's not something that it is.
- kaba0 6y ago
  Isn’t S3 under the Apache license?
coldpie 6y ago
I'd really like it if we could kill Oracle somehow. They are easily the worst player in the technology industry.
- kaba0 6y ago
  Based on what?

by mrkstu 6y ago

gjsman-1000 6y ago

In my own mind, when CentOS died Oracle was saying you should move to "Oracle Unbreakable Linux"... which is a downstream clone of RHEL, just like CentOS was. Just one example of the hypocrisy.

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bryanlarsen 6y ago
Even more egregiously, Oracle's whole existence is based off of copying the SQL API from IBM.
throwaway8581 6y ago
It is uncontested that Oracle cloning RHEL is allowed by the license that RHEL is released under. They don't need a fair use ruling from the Supreme Court because they literally have a license that allows exactly what they did. The same could not be said for Google's actions in this case.

thedevelopnik 6y ago

I had the opportunity once to talk to an IP lawyer for Oracle and brought this up. I specifically brought up the S3 compatibility of their cloud storage among other instances. His reply was “without admitting anything specific, how do you know we haven’t purchased private licenses for anything you just mentioned?”

throwaway3699 6y ago
It's still silly. Imagine if you needed to purchase a license for the shape of plug that fits inside a standard plug socket - to build any appliance.
- bobmalone123 6y ago
  Imagine if you had to pay a software developer 300K a year to design that API that you think it’s cool to steal.
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  - throwaway3699 6y ago
    Someone had to design plug sockets too.
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      [deleted]
- thedevelopnik 6y ago
  Oh yeah he and I still fundamentally disagreed, but it gave me some insight into Oracle’s position.
- rodgerd 6y ago
  Plenty of good, cheap DACs built in China (e.g. Topping) have an HDMI-shaped plug (IIS) that supports PCM-over-not-HDMI which happens to be compatible with HDMI sources, but don't dare mention HDMI because they don't want to pull in an interlocking, price-gouging nonsense from the US entertainment industry. So you don't quite need a license for the shape of the plug, but you do need to pretend it's not something that it is.
kaba0 6y ago
Isn’t S3 under the Apache license?

coldpie 6y ago

I'd really like it if we could kill Oracle somehow. They are easily the worst player in the technology industry.

kaba0 6y ago
Based on what?