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Not trying to belittle this womans struggle but there are videos online where people are being hurt real bad and those videos will forever be someone's entertai

Not trying to belittle this womans struggle but there are videos online where people are being hurt real bad and those videos will forever be someone's entertainment. World star hip-hop, and other sites like it, have almost made a business out of showing people be knocked out, kicked, punched and assaulted. That's what the internet is. A global network that spreads information at light speed. So I don't think attacking Pornhub specifically is the right thing to do here. That sort of smells of someone trying to make waves by going after one of the more established players in the internet porn business. What happened was awful but it has nothing to do with Pornhub. They're doing their best to police a giant platform that everyone in the world wants to use and abuse. They're not alone in this challenge.

luckylion 6y ago
> They're doing their best to police a giant platform that everyone in the world wants to use and abuse. [citation needed]
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elliekelly 6y ago
> They're doing their best to police a giant platform that everyone in the world wants to use and abuse. It doesn’t really sound like they’re doing their best though, when they offer an aggressive content take-down service to their paying customers but not to victims of exploitation from whom they’ve (knowingly or unknowingly) profited.
- INTPenis 6y ago
  Sure but put yourself in their position for a minute. How does pornhub even receive notice of this video being posted? How many others contact ph through this channel? How many of these cases are bogus and lead nowhere? Remember that this is the internet. If you open up any communication channel to your massive website you will be flooded with junk. So just to maintain a communication channel with the outside world is an entire project in itself. Probably requires its own manager and employees working full time with nothing but handling cases. And despite all this ph did respond on this case, they even tried sending takedown requests to OTHER SITES. Imo they did truly do their best. But the problem goes beyond pornhub. It's an internet problem. There is no simple resolution to this problem, unless you want to lock down the entire internet. And despite all these difficulties the stories posted still mention Pornhub as the problem. Pornhub is not the problem here. But I would not be surprised if Pornhub comes up with a solution. if coinbase can verify your identity to open an account with them then surely Pornhub can do the same for uploaders.
  - symlinkk 6y ago
    They already have a program that verifies the identity of uploaders called Verified Amateurs, and last year after the NYT published their hit piece and Visa stopped processing payments to them, they removed all amateur videos that weren’t Verified Amateurs, which was most of them. What’s sad is that you’re having to read this from me, instead of from the original article linked above, that someone who has a college degree in journalism was paid to write.
    - bryan_w 6y ago
      > What’s sad is that you’re having to read this from me, instead of from the original article linked above, that someone who has a college degree in journalism was paid to write. Exactly. Also the fact that none of their journalism colleagues wont call out this bad piece of work, reinforces that the news media really isnt trustworthy these days.
ceejayoz 6y ago
The article pretty clearly indicates that they're not "doing their best": > Kevin responded again, insisting that Pornhub “can NOT” remove content from other sites. However, that doesn’t seem to be completely accurate. Pornhub offers something called its “exclusive model program,” which promises that it will send takedown notices to any website to “help protect your content from being uploaded to other websites.” The logical step here would seem to be to extend that takedown program to victims as well as their models.
- weswpg 6y ago
  While I agree with your suggestion, the article notes that PH did request removals for her and still concludes by attributing blame to PH for the video being newly uploaded elsewhere (despite the fact that her ex husband likely has a copy which he may have uploaded again)
WindyLakeReturn 6y ago
I don't see why non-consensual gore isn't treated the same as child porn. Both are done without consent. Both require someone to be hurt to be created. Both either have a victim who is dead or who is harmed by the continue spread of the video for entertainment purposes. Both cross the threshold for obscenity. Political and historical exceptions would still apply, just like the photo taken of Phan Thi Kim Phuc fleeing a napalm attack is legal since it serves significant political and historic significance, despite it being a literal picture of a naked child being harmed.
- MattGaiser 6y ago
  Is a lot of gore footage created for the sake of selling videos? Allowing child porn has the consequence of incentivizing more to be produced. Is anyone producing gore videos in any quantity?
  - WindyLakeReturn 6y ago
    The incentivizing argument seems to be a red herring because in no universe would we legalize some subset of child porn that is shown to not incentivize more being produced, no matter how clearly such a case was shown.
    - retrac 6y ago
      Drawn and computer generated images of that kind are legal under the First Amendment in the USA. I mention it because they are, in contrast, illegal in Canada.
    - claudiawerner 6y ago
      The other argument is that it inflames and encourages desire to assault children in a significant subset (in the sense of risk; i.e. the population doesn't have to be large, only the risk) of those who consume it, and that it does so in a unique way, compared to other forms of media. The other argument is that it's a particularly grave violation of the child's privacy, one they cannot consent to. Alternatively, we could just bite the bullet and conclude (perhaps rightly) that maybe porn in general has the same negative effects we allege CP to have. I'm not sure if that's true, but if it is, then I think it would make a good case for banning it.
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anigbrowl 6y ago
If you have serious points to make about a porn issue, perhaps you should use a throaway account rather than 'INTPenis'. joke that's mildly amusing in other contexts seems tasteless when it shows up in a discussion on sexual assault, and that's probably outweighing the substance of your argument.
thereare5lights 6y ago
> They're doing their best to police a giant platform that everyone in the world wants to use and abuse. There are many citations to the contrary. This is just one https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-51391981 https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-51391981 They didn't just go and delete millions of videos for the fun of it. It's because they let their platform turn into a cesspool of illegal content.

luckylion 6y ago

> They're doing their best to police a giant platform that everyone in the world wants to use and abuse. [citation needed]

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elliekelly 6y ago

> They're doing their best to police a giant platform that everyone in the world wants to use and abuse. It doesn’t really sound like they’re doing their best though, when they offer an aggressive content take-down service to their paying customers but not to victims of exploitation from whom they’ve (knowingly or unknowingly) profited.

INTPenis 6y ago
Sure but put yourself in their position for a minute. How does pornhub even receive notice of this video being posted? How many others contact ph through this channel? How many of these cases are bogus and lead nowhere? Remember that this is the internet. If you open up any communication channel to your massive website you will be flooded with junk. So just to maintain a communication channel with the outside world is an entire project in itself. Probably requires its own manager and employees working full time with nothing but handling cases. And despite all this ph did respond on this case, they even tried sending takedown requests to OTHER SITES. Imo they did truly do their best. But the problem goes beyond pornhub. It's an internet problem. There is no simple resolution to this problem, unless you want to lock down the entire internet. And despite all these difficulties the stories posted still mention Pornhub as the problem. Pornhub is not the problem here. But I would not be surprised if Pornhub comes up with a solution. if coinbase can verify your identity to open an account with them then surely Pornhub can do the same for uploaders.
- symlinkk 6y ago
  They already have a program that verifies the identity of uploaders called Verified Amateurs, and last year after the NYT published their hit piece and Visa stopped processing payments to them, they removed all amateur videos that weren’t Verified Amateurs, which was most of them. What’s sad is that you’re having to read this from me, instead of from the original article linked above, that someone who has a college degree in journalism was paid to write.
  - bryan_w 6y ago
    > What’s sad is that you’re having to read this from me, instead of from the original article linked above, that someone who has a college degree in journalism was paid to write. Exactly. Also the fact that none of their journalism colleagues wont call out this bad piece of work, reinforces that the news media really isnt trustworthy these days.

ceejayoz 6y ago

The article pretty clearly indicates that they're not "doing their best": > Kevin responded again, insisting that Pornhub “can NOT” remove content from other sites. However, that doesn’t seem to be completely accurate. Pornhub offers something called its “exclusive model program,” which promises that it will send takedown notices to any website to “help protect your content from being uploaded to other websites.” The logical step here would seem to be to extend that takedown program to victims as well as their models.

weswpg 6y ago
While I agree with your suggestion, the article notes that PH did request removals for her and still concludes by attributing blame to PH for the video being newly uploaded elsewhere (despite the fact that her ex husband likely has a copy which he may have uploaded again)

WindyLakeReturn 6y ago

I don't see why non-consensual gore isn't treated the same as child porn. Both are done without consent. Both require someone to be hurt to be created. Both either have a victim who is dead or who is harmed by the continue spread of the video for entertainment purposes. Both cross the threshold for obscenity. Political and historical exceptions would still apply, just like the photo taken of Phan Thi Kim Phuc fleeing a napalm attack is legal since it serves significant political and historic significance, despite it being a literal picture of a naked child being harmed.

MattGaiser 6y ago
Is a lot of gore footage created for the sake of selling videos? Allowing child porn has the consequence of incentivizing more to be produced. Is anyone producing gore videos in any quantity?
- WindyLakeReturn 6y ago
  The incentivizing argument seems to be a red herring because in no universe would we legalize some subset of child porn that is shown to not incentivize more being produced, no matter how clearly such a case was shown.
  - retrac 6y ago
    Drawn and computer generated images of that kind are legal under the First Amendment in the USA. I mention it because they are, in contrast, illegal in Canada.
  - claudiawerner 6y ago
    The other argument is that it inflames and encourages desire to assault children in a significant subset (in the sense of risk; i.e. the population doesn't have to be large, only the risk) of those who consume it, and that it does so in a unique way, compared to other forms of media. The other argument is that it's a particularly grave violation of the child's privacy, one they cannot consent to. Alternatively, we could just bite the bullet and conclude (perhaps rightly) that maybe porn in general has the same negative effects we allege CP to have. I'm not sure if that's true, but if it is, then I think it would make a good case for banning it.

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anigbrowl 6y ago

If you have serious points to make about a porn issue, perhaps you should use a throaway account rather than 'INTPenis'. joke that's mildly amusing in other contexts seems tasteless when it shows up in a discussion on sexual assault, and that's probably outweighing the substance of your argument.

thereare5lights 6y ago

> They're doing their best to police a giant platform that everyone in the world wants to use and abuse. There are many citations to the contrary. This is just one https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-51391981 https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-51391981 They didn't just go and delete millions of videos for the fun of it. It's because they let their platform turn into a cesspool of illegal content.