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It sucks that this is a case where no amount of money & no punishment of anyone involved can really make the victim whole. Some things require a time machine to

by dfxm12 6y ago

It sucks that this is a case where no amount of money & no punishment of anyone involved can really make the victim whole. Some things require a time machine to fix.

hypertele-Xii 6y ago
What a shitty attitude. Once a victim, forever a victim? I propose to you a simple yet powerful idea: Shit happens, get over it. Life goes on. New experiences.
- qzx_pierri 6y ago
  I suspect you’ll be downvoted, but I agree. People take the internet waaaaaaay too seriously now. Not downplaying their trauma. Crazy stuff happens online, but everyone’s attention span lasts for 30 seconds, so just move on, get some therapy, and try to ‘let it be’. I suspect stories like this will facilitate additional mass-censorship via complaints similar to “think of the children!!”, but framed towards adults who don’t understand how web archival works. But is this what we want? Don’t we love the internet because everything lives forever? Remove the story in the OP from your mind and respond without any emotion. I know I sound like a contrarian, but I really miss when the internet felt more dangerous and unhinged. People starting these justice campaigns for every little thing about the internet is not only futile, but also short sighted. Do we want more “mass deletions” of content like Tumblr, Pornhub, etc ? This is what happens when the internet is slowly homogenized into this business friendly, marketable, “safe space” for casual users. Sorry for the rant, but I’ve noticed this so much lately. YES terrible stuff happens online. YES it has been happening since before the author of this story was born. Deal with it the best you can, but stop using emotion to convince everyone that you will be “fixed” until every “bad” site is fully regulated and monitored.
  - AshamedCaptain 6y ago
    When I try to respond `without any emotion` to the question `Do we want more “mass deletions” of content like Tumblr, Pornhub, etc ?' , the answer that first comes up is `why not?`. The Spock couldn't care less about these websites -- they are mostly entertainment, after all -- and on the other hand the risk that they someday archive something that may damage you is not nil. So there is one clear cold, logical conclusion.
  - AltruisticGapHN 6y ago
    I agree that she should move on but the porn industry also needs regularization, random people should not be able to upload anything they wish at the click of a button. While I agree with your sentiment, we will miss the early days, but internet was in its "teenager" phase, wild chaotic, fun, but not sustainable. The fact that small sites have been swallowed by facebook & co. , the knowledge bubbles cause by "smart" search engines, etc. those are another topic entirely.
    - qzx_pierri 6y ago
      “X needs more regulation” This is not the internet that I remember from 2004, and that was my only point. The internet feels too “safe” now.
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  - throwaway3699 6y ago
    Takedowns are a perfectly valid thing to have for something like pornography websites. Its not life threatening if it vanished for a few hours, but it can be devastating if it stays on long-term. Another comment correctly pointed out that we would not treat this as laissez faire if it was a child, but we should. There is a victim who has had harm done to them during the creation of the video.
    - qzx_pierri 6y ago
      “Another comment correctly pointed out that we would not treat this as laissez faire if it was a child, but we should. There is a victim who has had harm done to them during the creation of the video.” ‘Think of the children!’ is such an overused moral bulwark. The people in power who would handle this regulation others in this thread are begging for are using that argument to defeat encryption.
  - SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
    I'd really rather my employer not stumble upon someone's revenge porn of me, and I'd like the ability to get that removed, yes.
    - qzx_pierri 6y ago
      Submit a request to have it removed. Lawyer up if the site doesn’t comply. If the site is overseas and doesn’t comply, then you’ll have to just deal with it. Google even has their own methods to have a URL removed. I’ve done this before myself. I agree content should have mechanisms which allow takedowns to occur. Taking Google’s approach and delisting certain websites from their search results seems a bit much (this refers to the mass censorship in my original comment) Stories like this cater to people who aren’t savvy enough to do the work to get the content removed. I said I miss when the internet felt more dangerous and wasn’t catered to casuals. I think both of us have the same beliefs, I just think there should be a bit more freedom online, but these “platforms” are publicly traded companies now, so my thoughts don’t matter.
  - notyourday 6y ago
    > I suspect you’ll be downvoted, but I agree. People take the internet waaaaaaay too seriously now. Not downplaying their trauma. Crazy stuff happens online, but everyone’s attention span lasts for 30 seconds, so just move on, get some therapy, and try to ‘let it be’. I suspect stories like this will facilitate additional mass-censorship via complaints similar to “think of the children!!”, but framed towards adults who don’t understand how web archival works. This will stop being a big deal as the boomers die out and GenX gets into a nursing home age. My wife is a millennial. She grew up with the internet and cameras -- the number of photos that would make Gen X ers blush that she has is insane and that's nothing compared to what an average gen Z has.
  - pocket_cheese 6y ago
    Asking someone experiencing sexual trauma to 'let it be' is such a dismissive take. Being a victim of revenge porn means that you can be blackmailed at anytime. Most people do not want to be sexualized, and it's humiliating to have to live with the fact that your coworkers will now have ammo to harass over you if they discover your videos. Don't get me started on what happens if you have kids, and their friends find out you were in porn. Realistically, you can't scrub the internet of a video. I personally feel like the solution is that porn should be highly regulated. A formalized content upload process, licensing, required staff to deal with these types of complaints. It should be impossible to upload a video without a signed waver from the participants. Sure, this might remove pure anonymity, but you can still have mechanisms in place to protect your identity if you want to make amateur content without divulging your identity to the public.
    - qzx_pierri 6y ago
      “Asking someone experiencing cyber bullying to 'let it be' is such a dismissive take. Realistically, you can't scrub the internet of cyber bullying. I personally feel like the solution is that comments should be highly regulated. A formalized posting process, licensing, required staff to deal with these types of complaints. It should be impossible to comment referencing someone else without a signed waver from the participants. Sure, this might remove pure anonymity, but you can still have mechanisms in place to protect your identity if you want to post comments without divulging your identity to the public.” This sound similar to any other regimes in recent memory? Porn isn’t the argument I’m responding to, it’s short sighted bandaid solutions which require ADDITIONAL regulation and government control. We all know these systems of regulation bleed into other parts of the internet. Are you willing to start this trend and put it into the hands of someone whom you disagree with?
      - pocket_cheese 6y ago
        You are equating mean youtube comments to revenge porn. This is the whole "We should just ban cars" response when someone brings up gun control. >It should be impossible to comment referencing someone else without a signed waver from the participants If the comment is a nude picture of myself and I didn't give you permission to post it the law already agrees that this should be illegal. All I'm asking is to make it enforceable. Porn is shady industry ripe with abuse and exploitation. How do you know the person you are watching is over 18? Let me answer that... You don't. Some industries should be given more regulatory scrutiny than others.
- Toutouxc 6y ago
  You should really reword that, because now it sounds as an incredibly insensitive thing to say. She was a child when it happened. Bad things hurt so much more when you're a child.
  - jhgb 6y ago
    > She was a child when it happened I'm confused. The article is talking about her ex-husband. Did she marry as a child? Or did some things happen to her as a child and later her husband of all people got his hands on some recordings? Or are you talking about some other person than the woman in the article?
    - Toutouxc 6y ago
      I'm even more confused, I only saw a seemingly fullscreen video, didn't know there was an article below.
      - jhgb 6y ago
        Well, I only saw an article and didn't even know there was a video. ;) I guess blocking JavaScript will do that.
  - fastball 6y ago
    She was not a child when it happened, FWIW.
- 12ian34 6y ago
  What a shitty attitude. Have you been raped on video and revealed online?
KozmoNau7 6y ago
It shows how much our societal norms and laws were - and still are - completely unprepared for the implications of everyone being able to effortlessly copy and distribute images and video all over the world. We're still in a sort of local to national mindset, but international and virtual issues completely shortcut a lot of the foundations of that, and the people who get caught in that friction get hurt, sometimes very badly. If someone wants to ruin your reputation and cause you immense grief, they can very easily do that, and there is basically nothing you can do once the material is out there, especially if it is pornographic in nature. Privacy is a basic human right, and yet we are trampling all over it. I wish I knew what we as humanity could do about this, because shitty people aren't just magically going to stop existing, and the internet is an extremely powerful tool for abuse in their hands. Facilitating abuse by sharing abuse materials should be subject to just as hard punishment as uploading them in the first place.
- ogurechny 6y ago
  The subjects of Nick Ut's “The Terror of War” didn't sign consent papers, the same with countless other famous photos. There is no doubt you have seen it. Aren't you the one of the “shitty people”? Will you repent?

by dfxm12 6y ago

It sucks that this is a case where no amount of money & no punishment of anyone involved can really make the victim whole. Some things require a time machine to fix.

hypertele-Xii 6y ago

What a shitty attitude. Once a victim, forever a victim? I propose to you a simple yet powerful idea: Shit happens, get over it. Life goes on. New experiences.

qzx_pierri 6y ago
I suspect you’ll be downvoted, but I agree. People take the internet waaaaaaay too seriously now. Not downplaying their trauma. Crazy stuff happens online, but everyone’s attention span lasts for 30 seconds, so just move on, get some therapy, and try to ‘let it be’. I suspect stories like this will facilitate additional mass-censorship via complaints similar to “think of the children!!”, but framed towards adults who don’t understand how web archival works. But is this what we want? Don’t we love the internet because everything lives forever? Remove the story in the OP from your mind and respond without any emotion. I know I sound like a contrarian, but I really miss when the internet felt more dangerous and unhinged. People starting these justice campaigns for every little thing about the internet is not only futile, but also short sighted. Do we want more “mass deletions” of content like Tumblr, Pornhub, etc ? This is what happens when the internet is slowly homogenized into this business friendly, marketable, “safe space” for casual users. Sorry for the rant, but I’ve noticed this so much lately. YES terrible stuff happens online. YES it has been happening since before the author of this story was born. Deal with it the best you can, but stop using emotion to convince everyone that you will be “fixed” until every “bad” site is fully regulated and monitored.
- AshamedCaptain 6y ago
  When I try to respond `without any emotion` to the question `Do we want more “mass deletions” of content like Tumblr, Pornhub, etc ?' , the answer that first comes up is `why not?`. The Spock couldn't care less about these websites -- they are mostly entertainment, after all -- and on the other hand the risk that they someday archive something that may damage you is not nil. So there is one clear cold, logical conclusion.
- AltruisticGapHN 6y ago
  I agree that she should move on but the porn industry also needs regularization, random people should not be able to upload anything they wish at the click of a button. While I agree with your sentiment, we will miss the early days, but internet was in its "teenager" phase, wild chaotic, fun, but not sustainable. The fact that small sites have been swallowed by facebook & co. , the knowledge bubbles cause by "smart" search engines, etc. those are another topic entirely.
  - qzx_pierri 6y ago
    “X needs more regulation” This is not the internet that I remember from 2004, and that was my only point. The internet feels too “safe” now.
    - deleted 6y ago
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- throwaway3699 6y ago
  Takedowns are a perfectly valid thing to have for something like pornography websites. Its not life threatening if it vanished for a few hours, but it can be devastating if it stays on long-term. Another comment correctly pointed out that we would not treat this as laissez faire if it was a child, but we should. There is a victim who has had harm done to them during the creation of the video.
  - qzx_pierri 6y ago
    “Another comment correctly pointed out that we would not treat this as laissez faire if it was a child, but we should. There is a victim who has had harm done to them during the creation of the video.” ‘Think of the children!’ is such an overused moral bulwark. The people in power who would handle this regulation others in this thread are begging for are using that argument to defeat encryption.
- SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
  I'd really rather my employer not stumble upon someone's revenge porn of me, and I'd like the ability to get that removed, yes.
  - qzx_pierri 6y ago
    Submit a request to have it removed. Lawyer up if the site doesn’t comply. If the site is overseas and doesn’t comply, then you’ll have to just deal with it. Google even has their own methods to have a URL removed. I’ve done this before myself. I agree content should have mechanisms which allow takedowns to occur. Taking Google’s approach and delisting certain websites from their search results seems a bit much (this refers to the mass censorship in my original comment) Stories like this cater to people who aren’t savvy enough to do the work to get the content removed. I said I miss when the internet felt more dangerous and wasn’t catered to casuals. I think both of us have the same beliefs, I just think there should be a bit more freedom online, but these “platforms” are publicly traded companies now, so my thoughts don’t matter.
- notyourday 6y ago
  > I suspect you’ll be downvoted, but I agree. People take the internet waaaaaaay too seriously now. Not downplaying their trauma. Crazy stuff happens online, but everyone’s attention span lasts for 30 seconds, so just move on, get some therapy, and try to ‘let it be’. I suspect stories like this will facilitate additional mass-censorship via complaints similar to “think of the children!!”, but framed towards adults who don’t understand how web archival works. This will stop being a big deal as the boomers die out and GenX gets into a nursing home age. My wife is a millennial. She grew up with the internet and cameras -- the number of photos that would make Gen X ers blush that she has is insane and that's nothing compared to what an average gen Z has.
- pocket_cheese 6y ago
  Asking someone experiencing sexual trauma to 'let it be' is such a dismissive take. Being a victim of revenge porn means that you can be blackmailed at anytime. Most people do not want to be sexualized, and it's humiliating to have to live with the fact that your coworkers will now have ammo to harass over you if they discover your videos. Don't get me started on what happens if you have kids, and their friends find out you were in porn. Realistically, you can't scrub the internet of a video. I personally feel like the solution is that porn should be highly regulated. A formalized content upload process, licensing, required staff to deal with these types of complaints. It should be impossible to upload a video without a signed waver from the participants. Sure, this might remove pure anonymity, but you can still have mechanisms in place to protect your identity if you want to make amateur content without divulging your identity to the public.
  - qzx_pierri 6y ago
    “Asking someone experiencing cyber bullying to 'let it be' is such a dismissive take. Realistically, you can't scrub the internet of cyber bullying. I personally feel like the solution is that comments should be highly regulated. A formalized posting process, licensing, required staff to deal with these types of complaints. It should be impossible to comment referencing someone else without a signed waver from the participants. Sure, this might remove pure anonymity, but you can still have mechanisms in place to protect your identity if you want to post comments without divulging your identity to the public.” This sound similar to any other regimes in recent memory? Porn isn’t the argument I’m responding to, it’s short sighted bandaid solutions which require ADDITIONAL regulation and government control. We all know these systems of regulation bleed into other parts of the internet. Are you willing to start this trend and put it into the hands of someone whom you disagree with?
    - pocket_cheese 6y ago
      You are equating mean youtube comments to revenge porn. This is the whole "We should just ban cars" response when someone brings up gun control. >It should be impossible to comment referencing someone else without a signed waver from the participants If the comment is a nude picture of myself and I didn't give you permission to post it the law already agrees that this should be illegal. All I'm asking is to make it enforceable. Porn is shady industry ripe with abuse and exploitation. How do you know the person you are watching is over 18? Let me answer that... You don't. Some industries should be given more regulatory scrutiny than others.
Toutouxc 6y ago
You should really reword that, because now it sounds as an incredibly insensitive thing to say. She was a child when it happened. Bad things hurt so much more when you're a child.
- jhgb 6y ago
  > She was a child when it happened I'm confused. The article is talking about her ex-husband. Did she marry as a child? Or did some things happen to her as a child and later her husband of all people got his hands on some recordings? Or are you talking about some other person than the woman in the article?
  - Toutouxc 6y ago
    I'm even more confused, I only saw a seemingly fullscreen video, didn't know there was an article below.
    - jhgb 6y ago
      Well, I only saw an article and didn't even know there was a video. ;) I guess blocking JavaScript will do that.
- fastball 6y ago
  She was not a child when it happened, FWIW.
12ian34 6y ago
What a shitty attitude. Have you been raped on video and revealed online?

KozmoNau7 6y ago

It shows how much our societal norms and laws were - and still are - completely unprepared for the implications of everyone being able to effortlessly copy and distribute images and video all over the world. We're still in a sort of local to national mindset, but international and virtual issues completely shortcut a lot of the foundations of that, and the people who get caught in that friction get hurt, sometimes very badly. If someone wants to ruin your reputation and cause you immense grief, they can very easily do that, and there is basically nothing you can do once the material is out there, especially if it is pornographic in nature. Privacy is a basic human right, and yet we are trampling all over it. I wish I knew what we as humanity could do about this, because shitty people aren't just magically going to stop existing, and the internet is an extremely powerful tool for abuse in their hands. Facilitating abuse by sharing abuse materials should be subject to just as hard punishment as uploading them in the first place.

ogurechny 6y ago
The subjects of Nick Ut's “The Terror of War” didn't sign consent papers, the same with countless other famous photos. There is no doubt you have seen it. Aren't you the one of the “shitty people”? Will you repent?