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So visit a different part of it. As someone whose parents grew up without electricity in their home that's nonsense and tone deaf. We don't need an "America bad

So visit a different part of it. As someone whose parents grew up without electricity in their home that's nonsense and tone deaf. We don't need an "America bad" melodrama on every thread, especially one about European culture. Turn off the news and talk to real people. You have no idea how positively we brown 1st and 2nd gen immigrants view America, and the pages I could write on how far ahead of the "developing" latin and South/Southeast Asian world it still is. And yes Ive been to 20+ countries I'm not missing "perspective". Europeans have certain benefits explicitly defined by law and we don't because the US is rooted in a libertarian understanding of what a "right" is but we get them anyway and to keep it brief I will say that the recent hyper-focus on the US' flaws and fixation on what other countries "promise" their citizens make people myopic to how it actually plays out in the real world. I've met many entrepreneurial Spanish, Dutch, Norwegian, French, and Australian friends abroad on the nomad circuits who start their own cafes and training centers and studios in other countries and tell me about what they lack back home and went in search of outside of the EU. I'm much more appreciative of the opportunities the US still offers after having traveled.

coldtea 6y ago
>So visit a different part of it. With this mindset soon there wont be any left. >As someone whose parents grew up without electricity in their home that's nonsense and tone deaf. (...) You have no idea how positively we brown 1st and 2nd gen immigrants view America It's easy to view the current status positively if you start from a low bar. But sure, the US has electricy AND running water. I'll give you that. Well, mostly ( https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/26/how-texas-tough-winter-exposed-us-power-grid-problems-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/26/how-texas-tough-winter-expos... ).
- vinay427 6y ago
  Second-generation Americans almost universally didn't start from a low bar themselves. Many first-generation Americans didn't start from a low bar, either, but that's maybe a different point.
mbrodersen 6y ago
The US is definitely doing better than most developing worlds. Except of course for minor things like lifespan, health, crime etc. However doing better than developing worlds is quite a low bar.
danielscrubs 6y ago
“ what they lack back home and went in search of outside of the EU. ” that’s a very heavy selection bias. The Americans I’ve talked to in Europe doesn’t represent those that I’ve talked to in America. There’s a reason people both leave and stay.

coldtea 6y ago

>So visit a different part of it. With this mindset soon there wont be any left. >As someone whose parents grew up without electricity in their home that's nonsense and tone deaf. (...) You have no idea how positively we brown 1st and 2nd gen immigrants view America It's easy to view the current status positively if you start from a low bar. But sure, the US has electricy AND running water. I'll give you that. Well, mostly ( https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/26/how-texas-tough-winter-exposed-us-power-grid-problems-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/26/how-texas-tough-winter-expos... ).

vinay427 6y ago
Second-generation Americans almost universally didn't start from a low bar themselves. Many first-generation Americans didn't start from a low bar, either, but that's maybe a different point.

mbrodersen 6y ago

The US is definitely doing better than most developing worlds. Except of course for minor things like lifespan, health, crime etc. However doing better than developing worlds is quite a low bar.

danielscrubs 6y ago

“ what they lack back home and went in search of outside of the EU. ” that’s a very heavy selection bias. The Americans I’ve talked to in Europe doesn’t represent those that I’ve talked to in America. There’s a reason people both leave and stay.