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D cities +36.2% R cities +35.6% How in any way is this relevant? To anything? It's seeing this sort of spiked dialogue that just reinforces my belief that the

by jspash 6y ago

D cities +36.2% R cities +35.6% How in any way is this relevant? To anything? It's seeing this sort of spiked dialogue that just reinforces my belief that the US is on a downward spiral of naval-gazing self-destruction. One would hope the US had grown up by now. Gotten past the terrible teens. Sadly it hasn't.

curiousgal 6y ago
It's gotten so bad that if you criticize one side you're assumed to be a hardcore proponent of the other.
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  Even worse! It's gotten so bad that if you point to an observation of the objective reality, you're assumed to be criticizing some side. Can't say or do anything without someone wondering whether you have "an agenda".
brink 6y ago
It helps avoid the knee-jerk reaction of blaming it on the other side. You might think we don't need that stat because we're above it, but sadly we're not.. It feels like the US has less moderates every year. I don't have any data to back that up, just how it feels.
- BayAreaEscapee 6y ago
  Your intuition is correct. This site [1] includes graphs covering political values of Americans from 1994 to 2017, and it's very clear that politics is much more polarized than in the past. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/interactives/political-...
  - the_only_law 6y ago
    Just scroll to the bottom of this thread to see this in action.
- TomSwirly 6y ago
  As an outsider to America, it looks like there's a moderate center-right party, and a batshitinsane far-right crazy party, and logically very few people between them, because either you believe obviously stupid delusional claims, or you don't. Three-quarters of one side believe that the last election was stolen, despite the huge amount of evidence to the contrary. Very many of them believe that the climate emergency is a Chinese hoax, that Obama is a Muslim from Kenya, that his wife is trans. Why would there be any middle ground now, when one side has taken leave of their senses?
Shivetya 6y ago
trying to understand what determines which city is aligned with each party? Is it strictly who the mayor is, city council, or both? Plus the real issue is not percentage that the rate went up but how many people does that actually mean? Going up in Chicago is going to greatly dwarf most other cities and I am not sure they are very large Republican governed cities. In effect, they are using statistics to attempt to make the issue seem less dire than it really is. The number of deaths is ridiculous so they don't want that number out there.
2ion 6y ago
Data-driven everything in tech but when it's about putting a number on society it's suddenly irrelevant? The right question to ask is why and the next what to do about it if this trend is not desirable.
throwaway0a5e 6y ago
>How in any way is this relevant? It's not. Furthermore, city boundaries are often gerrymandered to either turn their suburbs blue or be turned red by their suburbs so. Some cities absorb their suburbs, some don't. Then on top of that you've got moderate D's who can pass as an R if they shut their mouths on certain topics running on the R ticket because that's the only way to challenge the incumbent. So not only is the distinction needlessly divisive but it's such a high noise metric it's not useful for anything ever anyway.

by jspash 6y ago

curiousgal 6y ago

It's gotten so bad that if you criticize one side you're assumed to be a hardcore proponent of the other.

TeMPOraL 6y ago
Even worse! It's gotten so bad that if you point to an observation of the objective reality, you're assumed to be criticizing some side. Can't say or do anything without someone wondering whether you have "an agenda".

brink 6y ago

It helps avoid the knee-jerk reaction of blaming it on the other side. You might think we don't need that stat because we're above it, but sadly we're not.. It feels like the US has less moderates every year. I don't have any data to back that up, just how it feels.

BayAreaEscapee 6y ago
Your intuition is correct. This site [1] includes graphs covering political values of Americans from 1994 to 2017, and it's very clear that politics is much more polarized than in the past. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/interactives/political-...
- the_only_law 6y ago
  Just scroll to the bottom of this thread to see this in action.
TomSwirly 6y ago
As an outsider to America, it looks like there's a moderate center-right party, and a batshitinsane far-right crazy party, and logically very few people between them, because either you believe obviously stupid delusional claims, or you don't. Three-quarters of one side believe that the last election was stolen, despite the huge amount of evidence to the contrary. Very many of them believe that the climate emergency is a Chinese hoax, that Obama is a Muslim from Kenya, that his wife is trans. Why would there be any middle ground now, when one side has taken leave of their senses?

Shivetya 6y ago

trying to understand what determines which city is aligned with each party? Is it strictly who the mayor is, city council, or both? Plus the real issue is not percentage that the rate went up but how many people does that actually mean? Going up in Chicago is going to greatly dwarf most other cities and I am not sure they are very large Republican governed cities. In effect, they are using statistics to attempt to make the issue seem less dire than it really is. The number of deaths is ridiculous so they don't want that number out there.

2ion 6y ago

Data-driven everything in tech but when it's about putting a number on society it's suddenly irrelevant? The right question to ask is why and the next what to do about it if this trend is not desirable.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago

>How in any way is this relevant? It's not. Furthermore, city boundaries are often gerrymandered to either turn their suburbs blue or be turned red by their suburbs so. Some cities absorb their suburbs, some don't. Then on top of that you've got moderate D's who can pass as an R if they shut their mouths on certain topics running on the R ticket because that's the only way to challenge the incumbent. So not only is the distinction needlessly divisive but it's such a high noise metric it's not useful for anything ever anyway.