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Yes, for example the grand tour which many young upper class people went on in the 17th and 18th century. With the explicit goal to expose themselves to as much

Yes, for example the grand tour which many young upper class people went on in the 17th and 18th century. With the explicit goal to expose themselves to as much culture and other elite people around the continent as possible. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Tour https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Tour

pjc50 6y ago
Far more recently than that, Interrail and the Erasmus scheme. The UK withdrew from the Erasmus scheme as part of Brexit seemingly for no other reason than to discourage cultural integration.
- krona 6y ago
  The Turing scheme will probably be more attractive to UK students because it will likely include more countries that UK students are actually interested in experiencing.
  - rover0 6y ago
    Does not look that good https://twitter.com/maxfras/status/1368913490308702208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1368913490308702208%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fm0gdie%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse https://twitter.com/maxfras/status/1368913490308702208?ref_s... The missing tuition support is really harsh, especially if Turing is for the US
    - KaiserPro 6y ago
      supposedly, students don't pay tuition fees, because universities are expected to partner to waive fees. I don't see this working in all honesty.
      - vinay427 6y ago
        This tuition agreement which is often implemented as a waiver (so the student pays at most their home rate) is already the case for many exchange programs which have existed between innumerable university-pairs for many years. I don't see why the Turing program approach wouldn't be feasible.
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- JetSetWilly 6y ago
  > The UK withdrew from the Erasmus scheme as part of Brexit seemingly for no other reason than to discourage cultural integration. I think it was because of two reasons. First, the sort of people who go on Erasmus and Interrail tend to be the sort of people who could have afforded it anyway - it is a subsidy for the well to do. And secondly, far fewer people go from the UK to other countries, than come from other countries to come here, so it is a financial drain. You could argue that it was a good idea for soft power reasons for the UK to do, but it doesn't seem to have built up a lot of European good will so far and perhaps the government has reasoned that the money is better spent elsewhere.
  - spzb 6y ago
    > so it is a financial drain. Only if you subscribe to the zero sum idea that there is a fixed pot of money which must be shared out between competing claims on it. Unfortunately our current and recent governments have propagated that notion for their own gain. It neglects the fact that foreign students in the UK spend money in the UK economy thereby propping up jobs and economic activity. When my daughter did a year studying abroad in Germany the funding she got was nowhere near enough to cover her rent and other costs. So something like 10 grand of British money ended up getting spent in the German economy to keep her going.
  - watwut 6y ago
    > First, the sort of people who go on Erasmus and Interrail tend to be the sort of people who could have afforded it anyway Absolutely not in my experience. They don't tend to be super poor, they are college demographics. But among social classes that do go to college, it actually enables people who could not pay for it. These programs are a way how students for whome it would be expensive go abroad for few months.

pjc50 6y ago

Far more recently than that, Interrail and the Erasmus scheme. The UK withdrew from the Erasmus scheme as part of Brexit seemingly for no other reason than to discourage cultural integration.

krona 6y ago
The Turing scheme will probably be more attractive to UK students because it will likely include more countries that UK students are actually interested in experiencing.
- rover0 6y ago
  Does not look that good https://twitter.com/maxfras/status/1368913490308702208?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1368913490308702208%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fm0gdie%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse https://twitter.com/maxfras/status/1368913490308702208?ref_s... The missing tuition support is really harsh, especially if Turing is for the US
  - KaiserPro 6y ago
    supposedly, students don't pay tuition fees, because universities are expected to partner to waive fees. I don't see this working in all honesty.
    - vinay427 6y ago
      This tuition agreement which is often implemented as a waiver (so the student pays at most their home rate) is already the case for many exchange programs which have existed between innumerable university-pairs for many years. I don't see why the Turing program approach wouldn't be feasible.
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JetSetWilly 6y ago
> The UK withdrew from the Erasmus scheme as part of Brexit seemingly for no other reason than to discourage cultural integration. I think it was because of two reasons. First, the sort of people who go on Erasmus and Interrail tend to be the sort of people who could have afforded it anyway - it is a subsidy for the well to do. And secondly, far fewer people go from the UK to other countries, than come from other countries to come here, so it is a financial drain. You could argue that it was a good idea for soft power reasons for the UK to do, but it doesn't seem to have built up a lot of European good will so far and perhaps the government has reasoned that the money is better spent elsewhere.
- spzb 6y ago
  > so it is a financial drain. Only if you subscribe to the zero sum idea that there is a fixed pot of money which must be shared out between competing claims on it. Unfortunately our current and recent governments have propagated that notion for their own gain. It neglects the fact that foreign students in the UK spend money in the UK economy thereby propping up jobs and economic activity. When my daughter did a year studying abroad in Germany the funding she got was nowhere near enough to cover her rent and other costs. So something like 10 grand of British money ended up getting spent in the German economy to keep her going.
- watwut 6y ago
  > First, the sort of people who go on Erasmus and Interrail tend to be the sort of people who could have afforded it anyway Absolutely not in my experience. They don't tend to be super poor, they are college demographics. But among social classes that do go to college, it actually enables people who could not pay for it. These programs are a way how students for whome it would be expensive go abroad for few months.