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To quote myself: "homicide rates". So yes I was comparing per-capita. However Norway is so tiny that fluctuations of even +/- 50% year-to-year are likely to be

To quote myself: "homicide rates". So yes I was comparing per-capita. However Norway is so tiny that fluctuations of even +/- 50% year-to-year are likely to be just noise. A tiny country may have one homicide one year, then three the next. Or as a journalist would put it: "Murders in Norway skyrocket. Up 200%."

jhgb 6y ago
But five million is not "a tiny country". It's the fourth decile or so. It's slightly larger than Los Angeles in population and apparently Los Angeles homicide rate has oscillated in the 5.0-6.3 per 100k region between 2010 and 2019, with annual ±10% fluctuations. That's way less than ±50% that you expect for the same population.
- chmod775 6y ago
  You do realize you're posting in a thread where someone just posted an article saying the number of homicides this year so far in Norway were 0? Last year they had 31.
  - jhgb 6y ago
    How is that relevant for the claim whether five million is or isn't tiny? It's not tiny, as the comment I responded to was claiming.
- tsdlts 6y ago
  Population density of Norway is about 38 people per square mile. Population density of LA is 7009 people per square mile. I don't think it's a fair comparison just because absolute population is similar.
mattmanser 6y ago
So exactly what do you mean by tiny? If Norway had the same homicide rate as the whole of the US in 2019 (as it doesn't seem they've release the 2020 ones yet), according to the FBI[1] the homicide rate in the US was 5.0 murders per 100,000 people. Norway has a population of 5.4 million. So for Norway, that would have been 270. Does that seem like a fluctuation? You're severely misrepresenting the facts as your figures are out by two orders of magnitude. [1]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/murder#:~:text=There%20were%205.0%20murders%20per,percent%20from%20the%202010%20rate https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-....
- chmod775 6y ago
  You do realize you're posting in a thread where someone just posted an article saying the number of homicides this year so far in Norway were 0? Last year they had 31. That's an order of magnitude off from the homicide rate of the US, which you just quoted. Why are you even using the US' homicide rate and applying it to Norway?
  - africanboy 6y ago
    > Why are you even using the US' homicide rate and applying it to Norway? because they are considered simarly developed countries, but as far as violence stats go (especially gun violence) USA is more comparable to developing countries.

jhgb 6y ago

But five million is not "a tiny country". It's the fourth decile or so. It's slightly larger than Los Angeles in population and apparently Los Angeles homicide rate has oscillated in the 5.0-6.3 per 100k region between 2010 and 2019, with annual ±10% fluctuations. That's way less than ±50% that you expect for the same population.

chmod775 6y ago
You do realize you're posting in a thread where someone just posted an article saying the number of homicides this year so far in Norway were 0? Last year they had 31.
- jhgb 6y ago
  How is that relevant for the claim whether five million is or isn't tiny? It's not tiny, as the comment I responded to was claiming.
tsdlts 6y ago
Population density of Norway is about 38 people per square mile. Population density of LA is 7009 people per square mile. I don't think it's a fair comparison just because absolute population is similar.

mattmanser 6y ago

So exactly what do you mean by tiny? If Norway had the same homicide rate as the whole of the US in 2019 (as it doesn't seem they've release the 2020 ones yet), according to the FBI[1] the homicide rate in the US was 5.0 murders per 100,000 people. Norway has a population of 5.4 million. So for Norway, that would have been 270. Does that seem like a fluctuation? You're severely misrepresenting the facts as your figures are out by two orders of magnitude. [1]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/murder#:~:text=There%20were%205.0%20murders%20per,percent%20from%20the%202010%20rate https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-....

chmod775 6y ago
You do realize you're posting in a thread where someone just posted an article saying the number of homicides this year so far in Norway were 0? Last year they had 31. That's an order of magnitude off from the homicide rate of the US, which you just quoted. Why are you even using the US' homicide rate and applying it to Norway?
- africanboy 6y ago
  > Why are you even using the US' homicide rate and applying it to Norway? because they are considered simarly developed countries, but as far as violence stats go (especially gun violence) USA is more comparable to developing countries.