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>Norway has some of the lowest homicide rates worldwide (about 10x fewer per capita vs US), and is also a tiny country population-wise. That's why you compare

>Norway has some of the lowest homicide rates worldwide (about 10x fewer per capita vs US), and is also a tiny country population-wise. That's why you compare the crimes commited per capita. The demographics of Norway and that of the USA is nothing alike.

chmod775 6y ago
To quote myself: "homicide rates". So yes I was comparing per-capita. However Norway is so tiny that fluctuations of even +/- 50% year-to-year are likely to be just noise. A tiny country may have one homicide one year, then three the next. Or as a journalist would put it: "Murders in Norway skyrocket. Up 200%."
- jhgb 6y ago
  But five million is not "a tiny country". It's the fourth decile or so. It's slightly larger than Los Angeles in population and apparently Los Angeles homicide rate has oscillated in the 5.0-6.3 per 100k region between 2010 and 2019, with annual ±10% fluctuations. That's way less than ±50% that you expect for the same population.
  - chmod775 6y ago
    You do realize you're posting in a thread where someone just posted an article saying the number of homicides this year so far in Norway were 0? Last year they had 31.
    - jhgb 6y ago
      How is that relevant for the claim whether five million is or isn't tiny? It's not tiny, as the comment I responded to was claiming.
  - tsdlts 6y ago
    Population density of Norway is about 38 people per square mile. Population density of LA is 7009 people per square mile. I don't think it's a fair comparison just because absolute population is similar.
- mattmanser 6y ago
  So exactly what do you mean by tiny? If Norway had the same homicide rate as the whole of the US in 2019 (as it doesn't seem they've release the 2020 ones yet), according to the FBI[1] the homicide rate in the US was 5.0 murders per 100,000 people. Norway has a population of 5.4 million. So for Norway, that would have been 270. Does that seem like a fluctuation? You're severely misrepresenting the facts as your figures are out by two orders of magnitude. [1]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/murder#:~:text=There%20were%205.0%20murders%20per,percent%20from%20the%202010%20rate https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-....
  - chmod775 6y ago
    You do realize you're posting in a thread where someone just posted an article saying the number of homicides this year so far in Norway were 0? Last year they had 31. That's an order of magnitude off from the homicide rate of the US, which you just quoted. Why are you even using the US' homicide rate and applying it to Norway?
    - africanboy 6y ago
      > Why are you even using the US' homicide rate and applying it to Norway? because they are considered simarly developed countries, but as far as violence stats go (especially gun violence) USA is more comparable to developing countries.
africanboy 6y ago
Italy has similar homicide rates: 5 per million. But also a population 12 times larger than Norway (60 million people). Los Angeles and Norway have a comparable population, in Los Angeles in 2020 there have been 300 homicides, a 20% increase over 2019, despite covid. It's more than the whole Italy that stopped at 271, 14% less than 2019 that ended with 315 homicides. Los Angeles has the same size of Rome, in Rome there have been "only" 15 homicides in 2020, 20 times less than LA. US is the outlier in the West, all the other developed countries have comparable homicide rates. Japan has the lowest rates globally, in 2017 they had 56 times less homicides per capita than in USA.
- carlhjerpe 6y ago
  > US is the outlier in the West, all the other developed countries have comparable homicide rates. How developed is the US really? Here's a non exhaustive list of things I and people in my surroundings think moves the US closer to a developing country like India than a developed country. Democracy wise: Broken voting system Technology wise: Still using insecure CC and cash only Healthcare wise: Insurance companies ripping you off Infrastructure wise: Fiber optics still uncommon, train system is crap Social security: Friends and family (hopefully) only Legal system: Carreers are on the line with big cases, so rather than getting to the truth corruption takes over big cases Freedom: You're free to carry weapons in town that could wipe out the entire mall. (But the government has nukes and tanks, thank god you can shoot them with an assault rifle now) Education: Only if your parents planned ahead and can afford it, never ending cycle to keep poor people poor (I know there are grants and exceptions) Religion: Still a significant percent following the person in the clouds. I've never been to the US, but these are things "Swedes" (My social circle) commonly joke about when talking about the US, seeing videos, news, articles from your media online. I do realise i might come off as quite arrogant, but this is the picture the US presents, the list from above could probably quite easily be broken down by exceptions and differences between states, It's only there to reflect back what I/we see.
bingbong70 6y ago
Even many African countries like Ghana, Cameroon, and Tunisia have a lower murder rate than the US.

chmod775 6y ago

To quote myself: "homicide rates". So yes I was comparing per-capita. However Norway is so tiny that fluctuations of even +/- 50% year-to-year are likely to be just noise. A tiny country may have one homicide one year, then three the next. Or as a journalist would put it: "Murders in Norway skyrocket. Up 200%."

jhgb 6y ago
But five million is not "a tiny country". It's the fourth decile or so. It's slightly larger than Los Angeles in population and apparently Los Angeles homicide rate has oscillated in the 5.0-6.3 per 100k region between 2010 and 2019, with annual ±10% fluctuations. That's way less than ±50% that you expect for the same population.
- chmod775 6y ago
  You do realize you're posting in a thread where someone just posted an article saying the number of homicides this year so far in Norway were 0? Last year they had 31.
  - jhgb 6y ago
    How is that relevant for the claim whether five million is or isn't tiny? It's not tiny, as the comment I responded to was claiming.
- tsdlts 6y ago
  Population density of Norway is about 38 people per square mile. Population density of LA is 7009 people per square mile. I don't think it's a fair comparison just because absolute population is similar.
mattmanser 6y ago
So exactly what do you mean by tiny? If Norway had the same homicide rate as the whole of the US in 2019 (as it doesn't seem they've release the 2020 ones yet), according to the FBI[1] the homicide rate in the US was 5.0 murders per 100,000 people. Norway has a population of 5.4 million. So for Norway, that would have been 270. Does that seem like a fluctuation? You're severely misrepresenting the facts as your figures are out by two orders of magnitude. [1]https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/murder#:~:text=There%20were%205.0%20murders%20per,percent%20from%20the%202010%20rate https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-....
- chmod775 6y ago
  You do realize you're posting in a thread where someone just posted an article saying the number of homicides this year so far in Norway were 0? Last year they had 31. That's an order of magnitude off from the homicide rate of the US, which you just quoted. Why are you even using the US' homicide rate and applying it to Norway?
  - africanboy 6y ago
    > Why are you even using the US' homicide rate and applying it to Norway? because they are considered simarly developed countries, but as far as violence stats go (especially gun violence) USA is more comparable to developing countries.

africanboy 6y ago

Italy has similar homicide rates: 5 per million. But also a population 12 times larger than Norway (60 million people). Los Angeles and Norway have a comparable population, in Los Angeles in 2020 there have been 300 homicides, a 20% increase over 2019, despite covid. It's more than the whole Italy that stopped at 271, 14% less than 2019 that ended with 315 homicides. Los Angeles has the same size of Rome, in Rome there have been "only" 15 homicides in 2020, 20 times less than LA. US is the outlier in the West, all the other developed countries have comparable homicide rates. Japan has the lowest rates globally, in 2017 they had 56 times less homicides per capita than in USA.

carlhjerpe 6y ago
> US is the outlier in the West, all the other developed countries have comparable homicide rates. How developed is the US really? Here's a non exhaustive list of things I and people in my surroundings think moves the US closer to a developing country like India than a developed country. Democracy wise: Broken voting system Technology wise: Still using insecure CC and cash only Healthcare wise: Insurance companies ripping you off Infrastructure wise: Fiber optics still uncommon, train system is crap Social security: Friends and family (hopefully) only Legal system: Carreers are on the line with big cases, so rather than getting to the truth corruption takes over big cases Freedom: You're free to carry weapons in town that could wipe out the entire mall. (But the government has nukes and tanks, thank god you can shoot them with an assault rifle now) Education: Only if your parents planned ahead and can afford it, never ending cycle to keep poor people poor (I know there are grants and exceptions) Religion: Still a significant percent following the person in the clouds. I've never been to the US, but these are things "Swedes" (My social circle) commonly joke about when talking about the US, seeing videos, news, articles from your media online. I do realise i might come off as quite arrogant, but this is the picture the US presents, the list from above could probably quite easily be broken down by exceptions and differences between states, It's only there to reflect back what I/we see.

bingbong70 6y ago

Even many African countries like Ghana, Cameroon, and Tunisia have a lower murder rate than the US.