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Funny, I prefer this page: https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot "Full Self-Driving Capability All new Tesla cars have the hardware

Funny, I prefer this page: https://www.tesla.com/autopilot https://www.tesla.com/autopilot "Full Self-Driving Capability All new Tesla cars have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat. All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go. If you don’t say anything, the car will look at your calendar and take you there as the assumed destination or just home if nothing is on the calendar. Your Tesla will figure out the optimal route, navigate urban streets (even without lane markings), manage complex intersections with traffic lights, stop signs and roundabouts, and handle densely packed freeways with cars moving at high speed. When you arrive at your destination, simply step out at the entrance and your car will enter park seek mode, automatically search for a spot and park itself. A tap on your phone summons it back to you. The future use of these features without supervision is dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving capabilities are introduced, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates." Which definitely isn't delivered today: https://youtu.be/8IUn2mDE-xo https://youtu.be/8IUn2mDE-xo

matz1 6y ago
>Which definitely isn't delivered today: https://youtu.be/8IUn2mDE-xo https://youtu.be/8IUn2mDE-xo From the video it does show that it has the full self driving capability, sure its not perfect and may make mistake but it may improve in the future.
- boatmansloth 6y ago
  But it isn't what was promised in the paragraph above. Ergo, no full self driving.
  - matz1 6y ago
    Which part specifically? I don't see anything contradictory from the paragraph.
    - boatmansloth 6y ago
      What's promised in that paragraph as a whole is stress free leaving the car to do its thing, even when you're not in it. What is in the videos on youtube is the driver needing to be hypervigilant to prevent it hitting curbs, waiting behind parked cars and driving off the road down light rail tracks.
      - matz1 6y ago
        No where in the paragraph it says stress free. >What is in the videos on youtube is the driver needing to be hypervigilant to prevent it hitting curbs, waiting behind parked cars and driving off the road down light rail tracks So? Its a mistake, tesla didn't promise it can cover all situation nor won't make a mistake.
        vel0city 5y ago
        > All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go. > Your Tesla will figure out the optimal route, navigate urban streets (even without lane markings), manage complex intersections with traffic lights, stop signs and roundabouts, and handle densely packed freeways with cars moving at high speed. Sure seems to me having to be hyper-vigilant to prevent it from driving down some lightrail tracks or getting it going after it decides to wait behind a parked car is more than "All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go."
        matz1 5y ago
        >All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go. Its a promise about the future. Read the last paragraph: >The future use of these features without supervision is dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving capabilities are introduced, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates." Beside, from the video, I don't see the need to be "hyper-vigilant", yes you do need to pay attention, which is recommend by tesla, but far from being hyper-vigilant.
jfim 6y ago
It depends on how you want to read it. If you read it carefully, it says something like this: The cars have hardware that Tesla believes will be sufficient for full self-driving. They're building a system that is designed to conduct trips without action by the person in the seat. There may be a time at which someone will be able to use those features without supervision. The software will be updated over the air. That's probably not what most people expect, though.
- boatmansloth 6y ago
  Even reading it that way says 'not here yet'.
  - jfim 6y ago
    I'd disagree, what they do say is there. There is hardware that could potentially be used for the car to drive itself. It might not be sufficient for safe unattended operation, but there is hardware that can steer the car and make it move. They have a design for a system that could drive the car unattended. It could be a piece of paper that says "Requirements: car must drive itself" with a couple boxes and arrows, or it could be more elaborate. They might deliver software that can be left unattended. Or they may not, who knows. They can deliver updates over the air. Is that what people expect? Probably not. Can you currently sit in a Tesla and go from A to B safely without paying attention to the car? No. Will they ever be able to deliver the experience that the average person expects after reading the second paragraph? Maybe, maybe not. Will it be reasonably safe to leave it to drive unattended? Who knows. Would the average person who paid for "full self driving" feel deceived if they never delivered that experience? Probably. It's definitely been crafted to describe something that might potentially be delivered someday, yet leaving enough wiggle room to be able to say "we never said it could be left unattended and never promised we'd ever deliver something that could be" in court.
    - boatmansloth 6y ago
      > Can you currently sit in a Tesla and go from A to B safely without paying attention to the car? No. End of story, it doesn't have "full" self driving. They have not delivered on the promise. They may do so in the future but categorically have not done so yet.
mlindner 6y ago
At least Tesla doesn't try to restrict you from filming videos of it's driving system. Waymo will ban you from their system if you film videos of it driving.

matz1 6y ago

>Which definitely isn't delivered today: https://youtu.be/8IUn2mDE-xo https://youtu.be/8IUn2mDE-xo From the video it does show that it has the full self driving capability, sure its not perfect and may make mistake but it may improve in the future.

boatmansloth 6y ago
But it isn't what was promised in the paragraph above. Ergo, no full self driving.
- matz1 6y ago
  Which part specifically? I don't see anything contradictory from the paragraph.
  - boatmansloth 6y ago
    What's promised in that paragraph as a whole is stress free leaving the car to do its thing, even when you're not in it. What is in the videos on youtube is the driver needing to be hypervigilant to prevent it hitting curbs, waiting behind parked cars and driving off the road down light rail tracks.
    - matz1 6y ago
      No where in the paragraph it says stress free. >What is in the videos on youtube is the driver needing to be hypervigilant to prevent it hitting curbs, waiting behind parked cars and driving off the road down light rail tracks So? Its a mistake, tesla didn't promise it can cover all situation nor won't make a mistake.
      - vel0city 5y ago
        > All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go. > Your Tesla will figure out the optimal route, navigate urban streets (even without lane markings), manage complex intersections with traffic lights, stop signs and roundabouts, and handle densely packed freeways with cars moving at high speed. Sure seems to me having to be hyper-vigilant to prevent it from driving down some lightrail tracks or getting it going after it decides to wait behind a parked car is more than "All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go."
        matz1 5y ago
        >All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go. Its a promise about the future. Read the last paragraph: >The future use of these features without supervision is dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving capabilities are introduced, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates." Beside, from the video, I don't see the need to be "hyper-vigilant", yes you do need to pay attention, which is recommend by tesla, but far from being hyper-vigilant.

jfim 6y ago

It depends on how you want to read it. If you read it carefully, it says something like this: The cars have hardware that Tesla believes will be sufficient for full self-driving. They're building a system that is designed to conduct trips without action by the person in the seat. There may be a time at which someone will be able to use those features without supervision. The software will be updated over the air. That's probably not what most people expect, though.

boatmansloth 6y ago
Even reading it that way says 'not here yet'.
- jfim 6y ago
  I'd disagree, what they do say is there. There is hardware that could potentially be used for the car to drive itself. It might not be sufficient for safe unattended operation, but there is hardware that can steer the car and make it move. They have a design for a system that could drive the car unattended. It could be a piece of paper that says "Requirements: car must drive itself" with a couple boxes and arrows, or it could be more elaborate. They might deliver software that can be left unattended. Or they may not, who knows. They can deliver updates over the air. Is that what people expect? Probably not. Can you currently sit in a Tesla and go from A to B safely without paying attention to the car? No. Will they ever be able to deliver the experience that the average person expects after reading the second paragraph? Maybe, maybe not. Will it be reasonably safe to leave it to drive unattended? Who knows. Would the average person who paid for "full self driving" feel deceived if they never delivered that experience? Probably. It's definitely been crafted to describe something that might potentially be delivered someday, yet leaving enough wiggle room to be able to say "we never said it could be left unattended and never promised we'd ever deliver something that could be" in court.
  - boatmansloth 6y ago
    > Can you currently sit in a Tesla and go from A to B safely without paying attention to the car? No. End of story, it doesn't have "full" self driving. They have not delivered on the promise. They may do so in the future but categorically have not done so yet.

mlindner 6y ago

At least Tesla doesn't try to restrict you from filming videos of it's driving system. Waymo will ban you from their system if you film videos of it driving.