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waymo can't scale. If you're interested in the state of fsd listen to this andrej karpathy podcast. Not Ford's PR department https://twitter.com/pabbeel/statu

waymo can't scale. If you're interested in the state of fsd listen to this andrej karpathy podcast. Not Ford's PR department https://twitter.com/pabbeel/status/1374450544475992064?lang=en https://twitter.com/pabbeel/status/1374450544475992064?lang=...

mdorazio 6y ago
You're telling people not to listen to Ford PR, and instead pointing them to a podcast by a higher-up at Tesla with a very clear bias and incentive to talk shit about competitors? Dude... Waymo can scale as fast as they want to via partnerships like the one they have with Chrysler already. Other companies will build the vehicles and add the hardware, Waymo will handle the software. Not everyone has to do everything in-house like Tesla does.
- arcanon 6y ago
  No, they’re directing you to an engineering expert rather than someone in marketing.
  - mdbug 6y ago
    ... who nevertheless works for Tesla and has the stated incentives.
chubot 6y ago
I agree Waymo can't scale, but I think that was apparent 5 years ago too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22632588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22632588 -- comment a year ago on the end of Starsky Robotics (good blog post) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22633543 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22633543 -- further down in the thread quoting Chris Urmson from March 2016, and also Bill Gurley from 2018 Sure things could have changed, but by all accounts they haven't, given the lack of deployment. They took 5 years to get to 90%, another 5 to get to 99%, and will take roughly the same amount of time to get to 99.9%, etc. And that doesn't mean they're done. (I have been following this for at least 10 years, and I also worked on a college project in autonomous vehicles 21 years ago. It was not good, but the deployment and philosophical issues are identical to the ones back then IMO.)
Hypocritelefty 6y ago
Jokers like you are rare

mdorazio 6y ago

You're telling people not to listen to Ford PR, and instead pointing them to a podcast by a higher-up at Tesla with a very clear bias and incentive to talk shit about competitors? Dude... Waymo can scale as fast as they want to via partnerships like the one they have with Chrysler already. Other companies will build the vehicles and add the hardware, Waymo will handle the software. Not everyone has to do everything in-house like Tesla does.

arcanon 6y ago
No, they’re directing you to an engineering expert rather than someone in marketing.
- mdbug 6y ago
  ... who nevertheless works for Tesla and has the stated incentives.

chubot 6y ago

I agree Waymo can't scale, but I think that was apparent 5 years ago too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22632588 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22632588 -- comment a year ago on the end of Starsky Robotics (good blog post) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22633543 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22633543 -- further down in the thread quoting Chris Urmson from March 2016, and also Bill Gurley from 2018 Sure things could have changed, but by all accounts they haven't, given the lack of deployment. They took 5 years to get to 90%, another 5 to get to 99%, and will take roughly the same amount of time to get to 99.9%, etc. And that doesn't mean they're done. (I have been following this for at least 10 years, and I also worked on a college project in autonomous vehicles 21 years ago. It was not good, but the deployment and philosophical issues are identical to the ones back then IMO.)

Hypocritelefty 6y ago

Jokers like you are rare