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>there is a very clear imposition of power over the employee here Hm, where is this imposition of power? I see what could be clearly called bargaining. Btw, m

>there is a very clear imposition of power over the employee here Hm, where is this imposition of power? I see what could be clearly called bargaining. Btw, my apologies if this sounds too harsh, but comparing it to "sexual favors" not only absolutely meaningless, but probably qualifies as a dirty emotional trick aimed at ungrounded shaming of those who disagree with you.

anon_tor_12345 6y ago
>Hm, where is this imposition of power? I see what could be clearly called bargaining. Isn't this ironic? The whole point of a union is collective bargaining power; individual employees do not have any bargaining power so how exactly is musk engaging in bargaining? With whom is he bargaining? >but comparing it to "sexual favors" not only absolutely meaningless, They're both examples of coercion by someone with power over a subordinate, they both involve trading your body (in the form of labor or sex) for money (or some sort of compensation), and they're both generally recognized as exploitative. These are three obvious features that make them analogous propositions.
- Rule35 6y ago
  > They're both examples of coercion by someone with power over a subordinate, No, the teacher is (indirectly) your employee and it doesn't matter. If they threaten to withhold a grade you've earned it's clearly criminal, regardless of the threat used. > they both involve trading your body (in the form of labor or sex) for money (or some sort of compensation) If prostitution and a job are the same then it means prostitution isn't bad. But maybe your equivalency is wrong. > they're both generally recognized as exploitative I bet you'd say that letting your starve by not hiring you would be exploitative too.
  - anon_tor_12345 6y ago
    literally every single rebuttal you've written here is a red herring.
    - Rule35 6y ago
      I could have said the same thing but I thought pointing them out was more efficient.
- brokenkebab 5y ago
  >individual employees do not have any bargaining power It's incorrect statement. I bargained with my employers multiple times in individual capacity. There are some points which are easier to bargain about collectively, and some which are better done individually, btw

anon_tor_12345 6y ago

>Hm, where is this imposition of power? I see what could be clearly called bargaining. Isn't this ironic? The whole point of a union is collective bargaining power; individual employees do not have any bargaining power so how exactly is musk engaging in bargaining? With whom is he bargaining? >but comparing it to "sexual favors" not only absolutely meaningless, They're both examples of coercion by someone with power over a subordinate, they both involve trading your body (in the form of labor or sex) for money (or some sort of compensation), and they're both generally recognized as exploitative. These are three obvious features that make them analogous propositions.

Rule35 6y ago
> They're both examples of coercion by someone with power over a subordinate, No, the teacher is (indirectly) your employee and it doesn't matter. If they threaten to withhold a grade you've earned it's clearly criminal, regardless of the threat used. > they both involve trading your body (in the form of labor or sex) for money (or some sort of compensation) If prostitution and a job are the same then it means prostitution isn't bad. But maybe your equivalency is wrong. > they're both generally recognized as exploitative I bet you'd say that letting your starve by not hiring you would be exploitative too.
- anon_tor_12345 6y ago
  literally every single rebuttal you've written here is a red herring.
  - Rule35 6y ago
    I could have said the same thing but I thought pointing them out was more efficient.
brokenkebab 5y ago
>individual employees do not have any bargaining power It's incorrect statement. I bargained with my employers multiple times in individual capacity. There are some points which are easier to bargain about collectively, and some which are better done individually, btw