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Does this require everyone to get it?

by briefcomment 6y ago

colinmhayes 6y ago
HIV is sexually transmitted, so only sexually active people would be required to get a vaccine.
- nkozyra 6y ago
  The high risk group is larger than that, though.
- mekster 6y ago
  Wtf are you talking about?
- SquareWheel 6y ago
  Drug users are also high risk, as are any medical professionals that work around needles.
- yarg 6y ago
  You left out transmission via blood.
- mike00632 6y ago
  The public health community learned a hard lesson from this mentality with the HPV vaccine. Many young girls did not get the vaccine because they (or their parents) insisted they were not and would not be sexually active. The CDC recommendations for who should get the vaccine (which controls whether insurance covers it and whether military members are eligible to receive it) expanded from young girls to all people under 27, then to all people under 45. Regarding HIV, why not get vaccinated if you have easy access to it? What is the harm in being immune to HIV?
  - colinmhayes 6y ago
    OP asks about what's required, not what makes sense. Everyone needs to be required to get vaccines like measles and Covid because the vaccine doesn't work on everyone so we need herd immunity to ensure safety. HIV does not require herd immunity in the same way as there is no way to get it if you are in a monogamous relationship/not sexually active and don't share needles. Therefore the vaccine isn't required to ensure the safety of everyone that desires it.
    - valarauko 6y ago
      > ...there is no way to get it if you are in a monogamous relationship... People are frequently unfaithful without their partner's knowledge. Healthcare workers/Dentists are at an elevated risk of infection, and by association so are their partners. As are law enforcement, and their partners. If you routinely interact with the homeless professionally or as a volunteer, you're at an elevated risk.
    - mike00632 6y ago
      >...monogamous relationship/not sexually active... This is the same mentality that was so tragically wrong and disproven by the data numerous times, no? Girls grow up and eventually have sex, right? Sex is a very human thing, and proclamations about monogamy or abstinence tend to be more religious/cultural signaling than reflections of people's actual behavior or the real need for people to get vaccinated.
jason0597 6y ago
I presume it would only be recommended for those who are sexually active (particularly homosexuals like me) and those who regularly use needles.
- floatingatoll 6y ago
  Many who are 'sexually active' are also unwillingly so. By that criteria, it would be best to recommended it to all women and all prisoners in the United States, due to how common rape is among those populations here. I'd like to say "we are better as a society" but that's not true yet, and in the meantime, at least I won't have to worry about AIDS when it's my turn to be raped.
  - capableweb 6y ago
    I feel confident enough that I don't have to look this up, but I might be wrong. Most women in the US surely aren't raped right? Not even 0.1% of women in the US get raped no? So I don't think you need to forcibly vaccinate people because of any rape risks. Most people who are sexually active are voluntary so, so let's just assume people are not talking about sexual assault when talking about an active sex life.
    - mistersquid 6y ago
      > Most women in the US surely aren't raped right? Not even 0.1% of women in the US get raped no? You’re presumption is so bad it’s not even wrong. > “Nearly 1 in 5 women (18.3%) and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives, including completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, or alcohol/drug facilitated completed penetration. [0] [0] https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics
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    - Judgmentality 6y ago
technofiend 6y ago
As with any vaccine the ideal outcome is the general population is vaccinated and we develop a herd immunity. For a deadly disease like HIV spending the effort to eradicate the disease would be for the best, but like HPV vaccination there's a moral judgment tied to it that will prevent some people from accepting everyone should be vaccinated.
- FooBarBizBazz 6y ago
  As a side note, it was ridiculous that it took so long for boys to start getting the HPV vaccine. If you're a public health person, even if your only concern is cancer in women, you still want to vaccinate boys to improve herd immunity. If you're a heterosexual man, even if you only care about cancer in women, you would like to have been vaccinated if you are a remotely decent person, because you don't want to give women cancer -- especially the women you have sex with, who, generally, are going to be people you care about. And additionally there are male health concerns related to HPV -- for heterosexuals, primarily oral cancer, and for homosexuals, possibly also anal cancer (these being generalizations, of course). These are nasty, lethal diseases. Surely they should be prevented as well? Given the multitude of common-sense reasons to do it, for the benefit of so many people, it was frustrating to watch it happen only with such a long delay. Much of the opposition seemed to come from a vengeful kind of religious conservative who wants sex to have negative consequences. Those conservatives represent a familiar kind of evil. Yet I suspect that some opposition also came from women who had a problem with protecting men's sexual health. This is a newer kind of evil, and even less sensible for women who are heterosexual, for the herd-immunity reasons I outlined in my first paragraph. A more-widely-administered HPV vaccine was literally a win-win for everyone, gay and straight, female and male, and still it came about slowly and faced opposition. This made me despair of my fellow humans.
  - httpsterio 6y ago
    You do know that anal or oral sex with/by/for males isn't tied to sexuality. Straight heterosexual couples can have anal sex.
    - 6y ago
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Does this require everyone to get it?

colinmhayes 6y ago

HIV is sexually transmitted, so only sexually active people would be required to get a vaccine.

nkozyra 6y ago
The high risk group is larger than that, though.
mekster 6y ago
Wtf are you talking about?
SquareWheel 6y ago
Drug users are also high risk, as are any medical professionals that work around needles.
yarg 6y ago
You left out transmission via blood.
mike00632 6y ago
The public health community learned a hard lesson from this mentality with the HPV vaccine. Many young girls did not get the vaccine because they (or their parents) insisted they were not and would not be sexually active. The CDC recommendations for who should get the vaccine (which controls whether insurance covers it and whether military members are eligible to receive it) expanded from young girls to all people under 27, then to all people under 45. Regarding HIV, why not get vaccinated if you have easy access to it? What is the harm in being immune to HIV?
- colinmhayes 6y ago
  OP asks about what's required, not what makes sense. Everyone needs to be required to get vaccines like measles and Covid because the vaccine doesn't work on everyone so we need herd immunity to ensure safety. HIV does not require herd immunity in the same way as there is no way to get it if you are in a monogamous relationship/not sexually active and don't share needles. Therefore the vaccine isn't required to ensure the safety of everyone that desires it.
  - valarauko 6y ago
    > ...there is no way to get it if you are in a monogamous relationship... People are frequently unfaithful without their partner's knowledge. Healthcare workers/Dentists are at an elevated risk of infection, and by association so are their partners. As are law enforcement, and their partners. If you routinely interact with the homeless professionally or as a volunteer, you're at an elevated risk.
  - mike00632 6y ago
    >...monogamous relationship/not sexually active... This is the same mentality that was so tragically wrong and disproven by the data numerous times, no? Girls grow up and eventually have sex, right? Sex is a very human thing, and proclamations about monogamy or abstinence tend to be more religious/cultural signaling than reflections of people's actual behavior or the real need for people to get vaccinated.

jason0597 6y ago

I presume it would only be recommended for those who are sexually active (particularly homosexuals like me) and those who regularly use needles.

floatingatoll 6y ago
Many who are 'sexually active' are also unwillingly so. By that criteria, it would be best to recommended it to all women and all prisoners in the United States, due to how common rape is among those populations here. I'd like to say "we are better as a society" but that's not true yet, and in the meantime, at least I won't have to worry about AIDS when it's my turn to be raped.
- capableweb 6y ago
  I feel confident enough that I don't have to look this up, but I might be wrong. Most women in the US surely aren't raped right? Not even 0.1% of women in the US get raped no? So I don't think you need to forcibly vaccinate people because of any rape risks. Most people who are sexually active are voluntary so, so let's just assume people are not talking about sexual assault when talking about an active sex life.
  - mistersquid 6y ago
    > Most women in the US surely aren't raped right? Not even 0.1% of women in the US get raped no? You’re presumption is so bad it’s not even wrong. > “Nearly 1 in 5 women (18.3%) and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives, including completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, or alcohol/drug facilitated completed penetration. [0] [0] https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics
    - deleted 6y ago
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  - Judgmentality 6y ago

technofiend 6y ago

As with any vaccine the ideal outcome is the general population is vaccinated and we develop a herd immunity. For a deadly disease like HIV spending the effort to eradicate the disease would be for the best, but like HPV vaccination there's a moral judgment tied to it that will prevent some people from accepting everyone should be vaccinated.

FooBarBizBazz 6y ago
As a side note, it was ridiculous that it took so long for boys to start getting the HPV vaccine. If you're a public health person, even if your only concern is cancer in women, you still want to vaccinate boys to improve herd immunity. If you're a heterosexual man, even if you only care about cancer in women, you would like to have been vaccinated if you are a remotely decent person, because you don't want to give women cancer -- especially the women you have sex with, who, generally, are going to be people you care about. And additionally there are male health concerns related to HPV -- for heterosexuals, primarily oral cancer, and for homosexuals, possibly also anal cancer (these being generalizations, of course). These are nasty, lethal diseases. Surely they should be prevented as well? Given the multitude of common-sense reasons to do it, for the benefit of so many people, it was frustrating to watch it happen only with such a long delay. Much of the opposition seemed to come from a vengeful kind of religious conservative who wants sex to have negative consequences. Those conservatives represent a familiar kind of evil. Yet I suspect that some opposition also came from women who had a problem with protecting men's sexual health. This is a newer kind of evil, and even less sensible for women who are heterosexual, for the herd-immunity reasons I outlined in my first paragraph. A more-widely-administered HPV vaccine was literally a win-win for everyone, gay and straight, female and male, and still it came about slowly and faced opposition. This made me despair of my fellow humans.
- httpsterio 6y ago
  You do know that anal or oral sex with/by/for males isn't tied to sexuality. Straight heterosexual couples can have anal sex.
  - 6y ago

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