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The new official French AZERTY standard is pretty good too : http://norme-azerty.fr/en/ http://norme-azerty.fr/en/ Hopefully the various administrations will

The new official French AZERTY standard is pretty good too : http://norme-azerty.fr/en/ http://norme-azerty.fr/en/ Hopefully the various administrations will start to push it to replace old keyboards... There's also a BÉPO version, which would have been even better, but I guess that would be too much inertia to fight?

https-bot 6y ago
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- dang 6y ago
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  - fishywang 6y ago
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- BlueTemplar 6y ago
  Hmm, weird that Firefox just landed me on the http version by default??
  - fishywang 6y ago
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  - jtvjan 6y ago
    You can use an add-on like HTTPZ[1] to load HTTPS versions of sites automatically. [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/httpz/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/httpz/
    - an_ko 6y ago
      A stricter version of this (which I prefer) is baked into latest Firefox: Tick Enable HTTPS-Only Mode in all windows at the bottom of about:preferences#privacy. It upgrades to HTTPS whenever available, and otherwise shows you a warning that you're about to load an unsecured HTTP site.
airstrike 6y ago
Seems weird to have specific keys for à é è when you could just combine them e.g. '+a '+e as is the case in the US international keyboards. Ditto for ç
- BlueTemplar 6y ago
  That's because those are extremely common in French. Also why ç was moved to C, since it's much less common. And now since you can do both of these methods, you can finally write upper case properly in French on Windows !
  - 1996 6y ago
    I have friends in Europe, and they told me there is ZERO commercial availability: they can't pay Dell, Lenovo, HP ... to get desktops or laptops with that layout. Can you confirm?
    - BlueTemplar 6y ago
      Not strictly zero : https://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00279741.html https://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00279741.html Also I think that Cherry made some ? But of course, until the State will start enforcing the norm, it will remain an amateur-only thing.
leoc 6y ago
It seems impressive in general. But are users still going to be stuck with the awful pox that is an important hold-to-use modifier key, Alt Gr, that appears on only one side of the spacebar? All this statistical analysis and the result is another layout which is deeply incompatible with proper touch-typing?
- BlueTemplar 6y ago
  Well, that would require even more radical keyboard layout changes I guess ? And I assume that less common characters have been put there ? But I assume that you're talking about {}, which some programmers use quite frequently, and which are still locked behind AltGr, though in a better position than before? (Also, there's always Alt+Ctrl, though it's certainly not ideal either...)
  - leoc 6y ago
    I'm talking about the fact that there's only one Alt Gr, on the right of the spacebar, but many characters behind an Alt Gr modifier on the right-hand side of the keyboard. You can't type any of those characters using the correct form for touch-typing, which is to hold the modifier key with one hand while pressing the letter key with the other.
    - leoc 6y ago
      (Ctrl+Alt is a lot better than nothing, but it more or less forces you to move your hand off the home row, which is pretty undesirable.)

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dang 6y ago
I appreciate the positive intention but please don't do this. We generally don't allow bots to post to HN because signal/noise ratio goes down under this sort of repetition. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20repetition%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
- fishywang 6y ago
  Thanks. I killed it. Sorry for all the troubles I caused (especially that bug that caused it to make the same comment every minute). I wrote a run down/post mortem at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26693882 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26693882 :)
BlueTemplar 6y ago
Hmm, weird that Firefox just landed me on the http version by default??
- fishywang 6y ago
  Thank you for the feedback. I added FAQ to the README and answered this question: https://github.com/fishy/https-bot/blob/main/README.md#this-http-link-actually-automatically-became-https-when-i-visited-it-is-this-still-necessary https://github.com/fishy/https-bot/blob/main/README.md#this-...
- jtvjan 6y ago
  You can use an add-on like HTTPZ[1] to load HTTPS versions of sites automatically. [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/httpz/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/httpz/
  - an_ko 6y ago
    A stricter version of this (which I prefer) is baked into latest Firefox: Tick Enable HTTPS-Only Mode in all windows at the bottom of about:preferences#privacy. It upgrades to HTTPS whenever available, and otherwise shows you a warning that you're about to load an unsecured HTTP site.

airstrike 6y ago

Seems weird to have specific keys for à é è when you could just combine them e.g. '+a '+e as is the case in the US international keyboards. Ditto for ç

BlueTemplar 6y ago
That's because those are extremely common in French. Also why ç was moved to C, since it's much less common. And now since you can do both of these methods, you can finally write upper case properly in French on Windows !
- 1996 6y ago
  I have friends in Europe, and they told me there is ZERO commercial availability: they can't pay Dell, Lenovo, HP ... to get desktops or laptops with that layout. Can you confirm?
  - BlueTemplar 6y ago
    Not strictly zero : https://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00279741.html https://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00279741.html Also I think that Cherry made some ? But of course, until the State will start enforcing the norm, it will remain an amateur-only thing.

leoc 6y ago

It seems impressive in general. But are users still going to be stuck with the awful pox that is an important hold-to-use modifier key, Alt Gr, that appears on only one side of the spacebar? All this statistical analysis and the result is another layout which is deeply incompatible with proper touch-typing?

BlueTemplar 6y ago
Well, that would require even more radical keyboard layout changes I guess ? And I assume that less common characters have been put there ? But I assume that you're talking about {}, which some programmers use quite frequently, and which are still locked behind AltGr, though in a better position than before? (Also, there's always Alt+Ctrl, though it's certainly not ideal either...)
- leoc 6y ago
  I'm talking about the fact that there's only one Alt Gr, on the right of the spacebar, but many characters behind an Alt Gr modifier on the right-hand side of the keyboard. You can't type any of those characters using the correct form for touch-typing, which is to hold the modifier key with one hand while pressing the letter key with the other.
  - leoc 6y ago
    (Ctrl+Alt is a lot better than nothing, but it more or less forces you to move your hand off the home row, which is pretty undesirable.)