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It’s not bandwidth/DoS attacks, but it is malicious traffic. Even for websites that don’t explicitly block Tor exit nodes, they quickly end up banning most Tor
by jchw 6y ago
It’s not bandwidth/DoS attacks, but it is malicious traffic. Even for websites that don’t explicitly block Tor exit nodes, they quickly end up banning most Tor exit nodes just by virtue of blocking malicious traffic that crops up.
Malicious traffic takes many forms. As an attacker trying to attack a website, you are probably not going to come in from a residential IP address, unless it’s one you have access to illegally. It is much more likely you will use Tor.
And because of the nature of Tor, you literally, full stop, cannot ban individual Tor users to any meaningful degree. So if you offer services not requiring sign up, or services where the sign up is unobtrusive, users abusing the service via Tor are difficult to stop.
Of course there are counter points... such as [1]. But let’s be honest, from the perspective of a tired sysadmin trying to stop ongoing vandalism, your options are limited, especially if you don’t want an intrusive sign up option.
As a counterpoint to the counterpoint, if Tor users were treated like any other user malicious parties might use the Tor network even more often than they already do.
Edit: also, though it is not necessarily malicious per-se, there are some types of traffic like scraping that may be undesirable from the PoV of the website. I am not going to make a value judgment regarding the merit of blocking scrapers, but it is nonetheless a goal where you can see the reasoning behind blanket banning Tor.
[1]: https://blog.torproject.org/the-value-of-anonymous-contributions-wikipedia https://blog.torproject.org/the-value-of-anonymous-contribut...
- BlueTemplar 6y agoSearch engines use scraping. I would guess that most websites want to be featured on the search engines?
- jchw 6y agoNot all websites want to be scraped even by search engines, and some only want to be scraped by search engines. Unwanted scrapers may refuse to follow robots.txt or do things with the scraped data that is either undesired to their business model or possibly even illegal, though that is complex. The point is, for better or worse, as far as I know, websites have the right to block scrapers while allowing search engines, and as long as it remains viable to prevent scraping, it remains likely that sites intending to do this will end up blocking or obstructing Tor traffic. Is it a good thing? I would argue it’s too abstract to judge in such a generalized fashion. Whether or not it is a good thing or a bad thing, though, is not important. It is the world we live in right now.
- colinmhayes 6y agoI wrote a search engine in school. Since I was naive/lazy/wanted a large corpus it didn't follow robots.txt. It ended up DOSing multiple sites, including Duke's law school during class sign up. I don't think those sites wanted to be featured on my search engine.