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A handful of blood clots from millions of vaccinations ... or 10's of thousands of deaths out of millions of covid infections. or forever lockdown. The cho

A handful of blood clots from millions of vaccinations ... or 10's of thousands of deaths out of millions of covid infections. or forever lockdown. The choices are grim but after a year of lockdown... I'm worried about what happens in the next elections.

boromi 6y ago
I'm curious why are people down voting this?
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  Because it names and opposes the forever lockdown solution preferred by the HackerNews hivemind.
- mancerayder 6y ago
  I don't know either, but there's a strong anti-vax vibe in this thread. For reasons that are somewhat unclear to me, France has one of the highest anti-vax sentiment rates in the developed world, so that can have something to do with it. https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Covid-anti-vax-sentiment-rises-above-50-in-France-with-new-poll https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Covid-anti-vax-s... My retort is, for those who don't like vaccines, if you don't want a vaccine what IS the solution to the problem of covid?
  - the_mitsuhiko 6y ago
    Being skeptical of one particular vaccine does not make someone an antivaxer.
    - mancerayder 6y ago
      But it's the most available one, since Pfizer's low on availability in the EU. Also, France, the country in the subject here, has a high vaccine skepticism rate (separate from Astra) ranging from 50-60 pct.. source being France24 report from December.
aww_dang 6y ago
Smells like a false dichotomy. The fear is palatable. Interestingly lockdowns, freedom passes, vaccine passports and masking are proposed as the new normal. Vaccination doesn't guarantee an end to lockdowns. Much like the post 9/11 anti-terrorism measures never ended. Fear is used to rationalize further encroachments on civil liberties.
the_mitsuhiko 6y ago
Considering alternative vaccinations exist I’m not sure why this comment makes sense. One can imagine an end to the pandemic that does not involve vaccinating people under 55 with AZ.

boromi 6y ago

I'm curious why are people down voting this?

tinus_hn 6y ago
Because it names and opposes the forever lockdown solution preferred by the HackerNews hivemind.
mancerayder 6y ago
I don't know either, but there's a strong anti-vax vibe in this thread. For reasons that are somewhat unclear to me, France has one of the highest anti-vax sentiment rates in the developed world, so that can have something to do with it. https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Covid-anti-vax-sentiment-rises-above-50-in-France-with-new-poll https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Covid-anti-vax-s... My retort is, for those who don't like vaccines, if you don't want a vaccine what IS the solution to the problem of covid?
- the_mitsuhiko 6y ago
  Being skeptical of one particular vaccine does not make someone an antivaxer.
  - mancerayder 6y ago
    But it's the most available one, since Pfizer's low on availability in the EU. Also, France, the country in the subject here, has a high vaccine skepticism rate (separate from Astra) ranging from 50-60 pct.. source being France24 report from December.

aww_dang 6y ago

Smells like a false dichotomy. The fear is palatable. Interestingly lockdowns, freedom passes, vaccine passports and masking are proposed as the new normal. Vaccination doesn't guarantee an end to lockdowns. Much like the post 9/11 anti-terrorism measures never ended. Fear is used to rationalize further encroachments on civil liberties.

the_mitsuhiko 6y ago

Considering alternative vaccinations exist I’m not sure why this comment makes sense. One can imagine an end to the pandemic that does not involve vaccinating people under 55 with AZ.