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HN is a place for data: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/27/1/71.abstract https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/27/1/71.abstract Men pose higher per
by sanj 6y ago
HN is a place for data: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/27/1/71.abstract https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/27/1/71.abstract
Men pose higher per-km risk to others than women for all modes except buses, as well as being over-represented among users of the most dangerous vehicles.
(From abstract)
- rickyci 6y agoI assume that might be because data collected historically shows men to be overwhemingly the one driving. So this correlation is dumb
- read_if_gay_ 6y agoIntuitively, it seems correct that in aggregate, women kill less people on the road. From personal experience, most people can drive well enough regardless of who or what they are, but if someone's driving extremely riskily then it's almost always youngish males. But also, if someone's exceptionally incompetent then it's usually old people or women. The distribution skews at the extremes and that's where the common perception that women can't drive comes from (and probably also the fact that men kill more people in aggregate). Actual data is not going to dissolve this perception because you see it every time you get outside.
- sanj 6y agoI work hard to discount “personal experience,” even mine, when actual data is available.
- read_if_gay_ 6y agoThat’s great and not enough people do it. Which is kind of my point I guess.
- Retric 6y agoVery rarely do you see the gender of someone driving incompetently. So, most of this ‘personal experience’ is simply conjecture which can self reinforce.
- read_if_gay_ 6y agoYou don’t know how often I see the face of someone driving. Why make such assumptions?
- Retric 6y agoPhysics. You can see a lot more cars than you can identify the gender of the cars driver. For example on a freeway at night, how many cars in front of you can you see vs how many drivers genders can you identify and remember. Now sure, the smaller percentage may still add up to a significant number. But people do a crap job of limiting their mental tallies to only the people they actually verify. If they assume someone is say drunk their going to add that as evidence even if they never actually have any direct evidence for drunkenness/age/gender/ethnicity etc.
- read_if_gay_ 6y agoIt’s a smaller sample than all cars I ever see, sure. But it’s still fairly big. If I look at a car I’ll usually try to look at the drivers face too, just because it’s useful information to know where they are directing their attention. I don’t think that’s particularly idiosyncratic and so it seems like a somewhat cheap argument to me to imply that people are basically just willfully deluding themselves.