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If lack of female ship captains is a sign that women are far behind, is lack of male school teachers, nurses, and HR professionals a sign that men are far behin
by yostrovs 6y ago
If lack of female ship captains is a sign that women are far behind, is lack of male school teachers, nurses, and HR professionals a sign that men are far behind?
- creata 6y agoAt least in your first example, yes, it is a sign that men are far behind when it comes to being trusted with children. But that's not really relevant to the ship story.
- allendoerfer 6y agoThey might be, but that‘s not the reason why there are less male teachers. It is not harder to become a teacher, when you are male. They are just less interested in becoming one (on average). As are women to drive container ships. Although I don’t think that there is just one woman, who wants to do it.
- em-bee 6y agoit is the reason in new zealand. there it is practically impossible for men to become teachers at least in kindergarten and primary school because parents don't trust them. sad really because kids need rolemodels from both genders
- ithkuil 6y agoThe "solution" to this problem is to not allow people to choose. In the country where I live the vast majority of schools are funded from the very high taxes you pay. You'd still have to pay those taxes if you choose to enroll your kid in a private school just so you could avoid a male teacher. Male teachers are nevertheless underrepresented, due to other biases.
- em-bee 6y agoactually i think it is relevant because the attitude towards gender in different professions is very much the topic of this post
- kristianc 6y agoNo, because a cargo ship captain typically makes between $150k-$200k a year.
- 0xy 6y agoDeep sea welders make significantly more than that, but are at a massively increased risk of injury or death. Should women be thrust into these roles?
- kristianc 6y agoOf course not. No one should be ‘thrust’ into any roles, but if women want to do them they should have equal opportunity. And clearly there is some issue of implicit bias, otherwise we wouldn’t be having this discussion in the first place.
- throwaway3699 6y agoThen what is the solution? Because as far as I can tell, unless you force people to be 50/50 in a profession, it will be basically impossible to get rid of the implicit bias people have in those jobs. And I'd be willing to bet that applies to other immutable characteristics, not just gender.
- zthrowaway 6y agoExactly, it’s impossible. This so happens to be politically beneficial to people who want to weaponize it.
- kristianc 6y agoPeople working in those sectors themselves acknowledge there is implicit bias. And the difference remains even when you control for dangerous work (I.e looking at people who only work desk jobs). You may never get to 50;50 but there is no reason for the disparity to be as large as it is - any more than women (or any any other immutable characteristic) don’t self select not to be CEOs or similar. And articles like this tell you you don’t have to look too far to find out what the real reason is.
- spacemanmatt 6y agoCan't even take this seriously