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Whatever been said on Egyptian TVs is mostly directed to Egyptians, as on going government propaganda, it does not reflect what will really happen for those cas

by netdur 6y ago

Whatever been said on Egyptian TVs is mostly directed to Egyptians, as on going government propaganda, it does not reflect what will really happen for those cases.

thendrill 6y ago
This exactly.... The whole statement was target towards the Egyptian audiance. Standard Arabic propaganda show. Knowing how things work in Egypt. I bet the whole thing will be settled for a couple of million usd and an undisclosed amount of Marlboro packets...
- mattmanser 6y ago
  Err, calm down in the racism. Trump, a white American, played by exactly the same rule book. Who was going to pay for his wall, do you remember? The Mexicans. Did that ever happen? Of course not. Pick any populist leader and they'll do exactly the same thing.
  - busterarm 6y ago
    The person you're commenting on grew up in Libya. When they say "Standard Arabic propaganda show", they're speaking from personal experience. Calm down with your racism accusations -- that shit's dangerous.
    - yellowapple 6y ago
      > The person you're commenting on grew up in Libya. Where are you getting this information? It doesn't seem to be present in that user's comment history (though maybe my tired eyes ain't seeing it). Ordinarily this would be called "doxxing" in any case ;)
      - busterarm 6y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26409524 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26409524 It's literally at the top of page 2. And no, that's not doxxing. It's not an identifying detail and it's something someone voluneteered about themselves. It's perfectly fine to keep people accountable to their comment history and that's not even what's happening here.
        yellowapple 6y ago
        Ah, didn't see that there were more pages. I guess I need some sleep.
      - thendrill 6y ago
        Overruled. Not doxing because I have previously posted it on a public comment related to my Public Id.
  - thendrill 6y ago
    I am arabic. I grew up in Libya. I have crossed arbic borders many times. Bribery is basically standard operating procedure. Bottom line is Egypt will say many things just to "save face". So off personal experience I wager that the settlement will be off the books... If it is proven true it is not racist. https://eu-asia.essca.fr/the-marlboro-canal-or-the-standardisation-of-corruption https://eu-asia.essca.fr/the-marlboro-canal-or-the-standardi... Edit: just to one more thing... Yes Egypt is in theory in control of the Suez canal. But legaly they are just an operator operating under colonial rule. They never fully nationalized the Suze after the 57 wars.
    - mattmanser 6y ago
      Ok, sorry for saying that. It was wrong of me to assume a comment like that came from a European or American and was driven by bias and I apologise for doing so. My wider point was that it's just politicians being politicans and happens everywhere, whether it's in Egypt, the UK, France, America, Brazil, China, the US, or Libya. Few governments ever want to admit weakness. As for still being a colonial property, that ship sailed when we humiliatingly were forced to end the Suez war, and pretty much marked the end of the UK as a super-power. It's never going to be in UK hands again.
      - thendrill 6y ago
        That is true. And no worries about apologies. In the end someone said that what we all do in the comment section is basically a self monologue, I do the same, and the more I realize that more nicer we would be in textual discord ;) You are correct, politicians will be politicians. Problem is that arabic politicians are so driven by archaic traditional means like bloodlines and honor, that sometimes I wonder if it is as obvious for a person with non-arabic background as it is for a everyone else. The problem with arabic governments is that they are, firsty, not really democratic, no matter what is being said. Second, alot of governence revolves around tradional and party relegious norms. Watch an Arabic debate on TV about homesexuality... And third. They last for a very short time in comparison to the countries in power over them (France, GB, US) There is alot of social and relational ties that end up being very important for people in power. In turn this translate to alot of "actions" that are easily seen as just a show from an Arabic perspective. The problem for me arises of how far from what is said the final result would be, because most of it will be dictated by bribery in internal dealings.
- mucholove 6y ago
  The comment may seem flippant—yet, having been a boarding clerk on a vessel ship captains would often offer cigarettes and scotch to save themselves some trouble.
  - busterarm 6y ago
    Indeed. They have a bunch of angry pilots on their hands because they spent a whole week not able to collect any bribes.

by netdur 6y ago

Whatever been said on Egyptian TVs is mostly directed to Egyptians, as on going government propaganda, it does not reflect what will really happen for those cases.

thendrill 6y ago

This exactly.... The whole statement was target towards the Egyptian audiance. Standard Arabic propaganda show. Knowing how things work in Egypt. I bet the whole thing will be settled for a couple of million usd and an undisclosed amount of Marlboro packets...

mattmanser 6y ago
Err, calm down in the racism. Trump, a white American, played by exactly the same rule book. Who was going to pay for his wall, do you remember? The Mexicans. Did that ever happen? Of course not. Pick any populist leader and they'll do exactly the same thing.
- busterarm 6y ago
  The person you're commenting on grew up in Libya. When they say "Standard Arabic propaganda show", they're speaking from personal experience. Calm down with your racism accusations -- that shit's dangerous.
  - yellowapple 6y ago
    > The person you're commenting on grew up in Libya. Where are you getting this information? It doesn't seem to be present in that user's comment history (though maybe my tired eyes ain't seeing it). Ordinarily this would be called "doxxing" in any case ;)
    - busterarm 6y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26409524 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26409524 It's literally at the top of page 2. And no, that's not doxxing. It's not an identifying detail and it's something someone voluneteered about themselves. It's perfectly fine to keep people accountable to their comment history and that's not even what's happening here.
      - yellowapple 6y ago
        Ah, didn't see that there were more pages. I guess I need some sleep.
    - thendrill 6y ago
      Overruled. Not doxing because I have previously posted it on a public comment related to my Public Id.
- thendrill 6y ago
  I am arabic. I grew up in Libya. I have crossed arbic borders many times. Bribery is basically standard operating procedure. Bottom line is Egypt will say many things just to "save face". So off personal experience I wager that the settlement will be off the books... If it is proven true it is not racist. https://eu-asia.essca.fr/the-marlboro-canal-or-the-standardisation-of-corruption https://eu-asia.essca.fr/the-marlboro-canal-or-the-standardi... Edit: just to one more thing... Yes Egypt is in theory in control of the Suez canal. But legaly they are just an operator operating under colonial rule. They never fully nationalized the Suze after the 57 wars.
  - mattmanser 6y ago
    Ok, sorry for saying that. It was wrong of me to assume a comment like that came from a European or American and was driven by bias and I apologise for doing so. My wider point was that it's just politicians being politicans and happens everywhere, whether it's in Egypt, the UK, France, America, Brazil, China, the US, or Libya. Few governments ever want to admit weakness. As for still being a colonial property, that ship sailed when we humiliatingly were forced to end the Suez war, and pretty much marked the end of the UK as a super-power. It's never going to be in UK hands again.
    - thendrill 6y ago
      That is true. And no worries about apologies. In the end someone said that what we all do in the comment section is basically a self monologue, I do the same, and the more I realize that more nicer we would be in textual discord ;) You are correct, politicians will be politicians. Problem is that arabic politicians are so driven by archaic traditional means like bloodlines and honor, that sometimes I wonder if it is as obvious for a person with non-arabic background as it is for a everyone else. The problem with arabic governments is that they are, firsty, not really democratic, no matter what is being said. Second, alot of governence revolves around tradional and party relegious norms. Watch an Arabic debate on TV about homesexuality... And third. They last for a very short time in comparison to the countries in power over them (France, GB, US) There is alot of social and relational ties that end up being very important for people in power. In turn this translate to alot of "actions" that are easily seen as just a show from an Arabic perspective. The problem for me arises of how far from what is said the final result would be, because most of it will be dictated by bribery in internal dealings.
mucholove 6y ago
The comment may seem flippant—yet, having been a boarding clerk on a vessel ship captains would often offer cigarettes and scotch to save themselves some trouble.
- busterarm 6y ago
  Indeed. They have a bunch of angry pilots on their hands because they spent a whole week not able to collect any bribes.