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Like with every other solution, under the current political and economic systems, there's no incentive to scale it up quickly enough to make a dent in global wa
by chobeat 6y ago
Like with every other solution, under the current political and economic systems, there's no incentive to scale it up quickly enough to make a dent in global warming and it will just live in small local prototypes and in the dreams of techno-solutionists.
- adammunich 6y agoThat too
- chr1 6y agoThat's not a techno solution worth to dream about, the real techno solution is a fine grained control of weather (like https://viento.ai https://viento.ai) and in that case the extra CO2 in atmosphere will be naturally sequestered in fields and farms in Sahara.
- neolog 6y agoThat "leadership team" doesn't seem qualified to be working in this area.
- dalbasal 6y agoAubrey de Grey, heh? IDK... now I like it more. What he is qualified for is running this sort of effort. I just don't know what to call this sort of effort. Viento is a ‘moonshot’ nonprofit pioneering targeted weather security... by combining big data, forecasting breakthroughs and AI directed weather interventions... framed as "break glass in case of climate emergency." So... I don't like the idea. I do however, like the way he puts together moonshot projects, generally. Maybe this will evolve into something better. It's useful to have 0.X% of people working on tech, to be doing it in an environment that isn't standard academia or big tech.
- pineaux 6y agoElon musk wasn't qualified to build a rocket company. Still pretty succesful though.
- neolog 6y agoHe had Ivy-league degrees in physics and economics and two billion dollars. More importantly, he wasn't the whole leadership team: the CTO was a rocket engineer and the COO had other experience.
- chobeat 6y agothanks but no thanks
- mckirk 6y agoTo be honest, the layout of that site does not exactly inspire confidence. But the team is interesting indeed. Incidentally, there's an online SSC meetup with Jaan Tallinn as guest, _today_: https://www.lesswrong.com/events/jQQYCdtiH5d3CtrNC/jaan-tallinn-at-the-slate-star-codex-online-meetup https://www.lesswrong.com/events/jQQYCdtiH5d3CtrNC/jaan-tall...
- mrpopo 6y agoI think the bigger gotcha with carbon capture is it sustains the quid pro quo that climate change is the biggest threat to unchecked energy consumption growth. Behind climate change, there's also biodiversity collapse, ocean fish depletion, and that's gonna ruin the food system billions of people depend on, way before they see the benefits of globalisation.
- AyrtonB 6y agoConsumption is the underlying driver but emissions is definitely the biggest 'base' threat. Acidification (from CO2) and temperature (from CO2) rise would continue to lead to collapses of fish stocks even if we stopped trawling the oceans.
- dalbasal 6y agoTrue, but if it's really good, it probably could be brought into the political/economic system at some point. Just mandate zero emissions for certain classes of carbon fuel burners... like power new stations. Replacing the first 30% of fossil fuel usage is hard/slow. At some point, it will become much easier/quicker... because the economics will be favourable. The last 30% of fossil fuel will be hard/slow. Fossil fuel burning use cases that for different reasons are hard to replace. For these, exhaust capture makes sense.
- chobeat 6y agolot of wishful thinking here. There's clearly not enough time for this
- dalbasal 6y agoEnough time for what? All I'm predicting is that carbon reduction will follow a path. Slow, then fast, then slow again. At that late point, exhaust capture may be mandatory... I would even say probably.